The Insane "Social Justice" Thread pt IV

[jamil]

I'm just curious, has anybody here read Andy Ngo's books, etc.?

The reason I ask is simply that I have not, and would like to know more about him. I never would have heard of the guy if it weren't for INGO, and when I Google him all I get are articles that describe him as a far-right agitator. What's the story on him?

He’s a gay conservative independent journalist from Portland OR, a place where that not only makes you evil, but also a traitor anyway. And as others have said he is known for reporting on Antifa primary in Portland. He spent a lot of time documenting Antifa and is considered an authority on the subject by sane people.

He became most known for Antifa beating the **** out of him during one of the many Portland protests in which Antifa was involved in.

 

[jamil]

No soft drinks anymore and besides they all taste like crap anyway.

Maybe an ice cold Sprite over ice when I have real stove top popcorn salted and buttered. A cold Jarita (Sp) Mexican soft drink made with the real stuff we grew up with.

I’ve pretty much stopped drinking Coke. But when I have a hankering for soda I might sneak some fruit juice with a shot of 7-up.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[IndyGal65]

He’s a gay conservative independent journalist from Portland OR, a place where that not only makes you evil, but also a traitor anyway. And as others have said he is known for reporting on Antifa primary in Portland. He spent a lot of time documenting Antifa and is considered an authority on the subject by sane people.

He became most known for Antifa beating the **** out of him during one of the many Portland protests in which Antifa was involved in.

The banjo player for Mumford and Sons tweeted this, and then caught all kinds of holy hell:

“Congratulations @MrAndyNgo. Finally had the time to read your important book. You’re a brave man,” Marshall tweeted Saturday.

Mumford & Sons member takes 'time away' from band after praising Andy Ngo book

Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall apologizes and deletes a tweet calling Andy Ngo's new antifa tome an "important book."

www.latimes.com

AntiFa is a bunch of knuckle dragging mouth breathers but apparently you may not speak ill of them.

 

[jamil]

The banjo player for Mumford and Sons tweeted this, and then caught all kinds of holy hell:

“Congratulations @MrAndyNgo. Finally had the time to read your important book. You’re a brave man,” Marshall tweeted Saturday.

Mumford & Sons member takes 'time away' from band after praising Andy Ngo book

Mumford & Sons banjo player Winston Marshall apologizes and deletes a tweet calling Andy Ngo's new antifa tome an "important book."

www.latimes.com

AntiFa is a bunch of knuckle dragging mouth breathers but apparently you may not speak ill of them.

I know it’s an easy thing to say and a harder thing to do, but not giving in is the only way to fight this. Every instance of giving in only strengthens the mob. It’s harder for people the more they have to lose.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Had a thought tonight about people being cancelled. In another thread, a comment was made about killing kids and nuns and the use of an AR to do so. I replied that one does not need an AR to go after nuns, just an ambulance, and posted this:



And it got me thinking: Bill Cosby did some fine work with kids with the "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids" TV show, based on his own childhood. He later did some very funny routines, including one about Noah talking with God about the ark and so forth.... Really hilarious stuff, and CLEAN comedy. He was a comic who did not have to cuss to be funny.

And then it came out that this man who had done so much good had also done some very seriously bad things as well, drugging women for sex, etc. So the thought occurred to me: Is all of his work tainted by the poor behavior and bad judgement? is it just to deny anyone else the benefit of the Cosby Kids lessons because some of his behavior, then or later, was reprehensible?

Another example of this is Paul Reubens, aka "Pee Wee Herman". OK, so not in the goofy suit or makeup, as a grown adult, he went to an adult movie in a porn shop and got caught there...I don't recall if he was caught choking his chicken or if that was just hyperbole based on where he was, but the point is, he did a show for children, but he was not one himself at the time. He didn't do anything TO the children, but he was painted as a perv anyway. I'm not sure that's justice either.

Note that I am NOT defending the actions of either man. If you want to watch a porno, that's your business..... but maybe do it at home?
If you want to drug women for sex..... I don't know what to tell you. Get over it... there really isn't anywhere you can do that and it be OK. What I'm saying is that what they do offscreen should not affect what they have done on screen, IMHO.

As Steven Crowder says, "Change my mind". I'm not married to these thoughts, and I'm willing to listen to other perspectives. I may not agree, but then, you may not agree with me. We can still discuss things with civility.

Annnnnd go.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Hawkeye]

Had a thought tonight about people being cancelled. In another thread, a comment was made about killing kids and nuns and the use of an AR to do so. I replied that one does not need an AR to go after nuns, just an ambulance, and posted this:



And it got me thinking: Bill Cosby did some fine work with kids with the "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids" TV show, based on his own childhood. He later did some very funny routines, including one about Noah talking with God about the ark and so forth.... Really hilarious stuff, and CLEAN comedy. He was a comic who did not have to cuss to be funny.

And then it came out that this man who had done so much good had also done some very seriously bad things as well, drugging women for sex, etc. So the thought occurred to me: Is all of his work tainted by the poor behavior and bad judgement? is it just to deny anyone else the benefit of the Cosby Kids lessons because some of his behavior, then or later, was reprehensible?

Another example of this is Paul Reubens, aka "Pee Wee Herman". OK, so not in the goofy suit or makeup, as a grown adult, he went to an adult movie in a porn shop and got caught there...I don't recall if he was caught choking his chicken or if that was just hyperbole based on where he was, but the point is, he did a show for children, but he was not one himself at the time. He didn't do anything TO the children, but he was painted as a perv anyway. I'm not sure that's justice either.

Note that I am NOT defending the actions of either man. If you want to watch a porno, that's your business..... but maybe do it at home?
If you want to drug women for sex..... I don't know what to tell you. Get over it... there really isn't anywhere you can do that and it be OK. What I'm saying is that what they do offscreen should not affect what they have done on screen, IMHO.

As Steven Crowder says, "Change my mind". I'm not married to these thoughts, and I'm willing to listen to other perspectives. I may not agree, but then, you may not agree with me. We can still discuss things with civility.

Annnnnd go.

Blessings,
Bill

So how do you feel about the actors in action movies acting like they are firearms experts, but off-screen are intensely anti-2A?

 

[rob63]

Had a thought tonight about people being cancelled. In another thread, a comment was made about killing kids and nuns and the use of an AR to do so. I replied that one does not need an AR to go after nuns, just an ambulance, and posted this:



And it got me thinking: Bill Cosby did some fine work with kids with the "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids" TV show, based on his own childhood. He later did some very funny routines, including one about Noah talking with God about the ark and so forth.... Really hilarious stuff, and CLEAN comedy. He was a comic who did not have to cuss to be funny.

And then it came out that this man who had done so much good had also done some very seriously bad things as well, drugging women for sex, etc. So the thought occurred to me: Is all of his work tainted by the poor behavior and bad judgement? is it just to deny anyone else the benefit of the Cosby Kids lessons because some of his behavior, then or later, was reprehensible?

Another example of this is Paul Reubens, aka "Pee Wee Herman". OK, so not in the goofy suit or makeup, as a grown adult, he went to an adult movie in a porn shop and got caught there...I don't recall if he was caught choking his chicken or if that was just hyperbole based on where he was, but the point is, he did a show for children, but he was not one himself at the time. He didn't do anything TO the children, but he was painted as a perv anyway. I'm not sure that's justice either.

Note that I am NOT defending the actions of either man. If you want to watch a porno, that's your business..... but maybe do it at home?
If you want to drug women for sex..... I don't know what to tell you. Get over it... there really isn't anywhere you can do that and it be OK. What I'm saying is that what they do offscreen should not affect what they have done on screen, IMHO.

As Steven Crowder says, "Change my mind". I'm not married to these thoughts, and I'm willing to listen to other perspectives. I may not agree, but then, you may not agree with me. We can still discuss things with civility.

Annnnnd go.

Blessings,
Bill

I am someone that is very interested in history. I realized over the years of studying historical figures that our heroes all have flaws and the villains all have virtues. This is not how we want it to be, there seems to be an innate desire to separate everyone into all good, or all bad, without room for nuance.

I have arrived at a place where I try to apply the same nuances I see in historical figures to modern people. Consequently, I can laugh at a Bill Cosby joke without thinking that somehow indicates approval of everything he ever did. We can pick and choose between behaviors without the need for absolutes.

 

[jamil]

Had a thought tonight about people being cancelled. In another thread, a comment was made about killing kids and nuns and the use of an AR to do so. I replied that one does not need an AR to go after nuns, just an ambulance, and posted this:



And it got me thinking: Bill Cosby did some fine work with kids with the "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids" TV show, based on his own childhood. He later did some very funny routines, including one about Noah talking with God about the ark and so forth.... Really hilarious stuff, and CLEAN comedy. He was a comic who did not have to cuss to be funny.

And then it came out that this man who had done so much good had also done some very seriously bad things as well, drugging women for sex, etc. So the thought occurred to me: Is all of his work tainted by the poor behavior and bad judgement? is it just to deny anyone else the benefit of the Cosby Kids lessons because some of his behavior, then or later, was reprehensible?

Another example of this is Paul Reubens, aka "Pee Wee Herman". OK, so not in the goofy suit or makeup, as a grown adult, he went to an adult movie in a porn shop and got caught there...I don't recall if he was caught choking his chicken or if that was just hyperbole based on where he was, but the point is, he did a show for children, but he was not one himself at the time. He didn't do anything TO the children, but he was painted as a perv anyway. I'm not sure that's justice either.

Note that I am NOT defending the actions of either man. If you want to watch a porno, that's your business..... but maybe do it at home?
If you want to drug women for sex..... I don't know what to tell you. Get over it... there really isn't anywhere you can do that and it be OK. What I'm saying is that what they do offscreen should not affect what they have done on screen, IMHO.

As Steven Crowder says, "Change my mind". I'm not married to these thoughts, and I'm willing to listen to other perspectives. I may not agree, but then, you may not agree with me. We can still discuss things with civility.

Annnnnd go.

Blessings,
Bill

Good point. Another example. The great things that Jefferson did are not invalidated by his slave ownership. People are human and humans have cobwebs. Sometimes great people can have a lot of cobwebs. That doesn’t excuse the horrible things some of these people do. But it does explain it a little. The good is not invalidated by the bad. The two can stand separately.

But that’s not the purpose of cancel culture anyway. The purpose is to control dissent. Enforce homogeneity of belief. It’s essentially mass shunning. When you’re canceled, it’s not just you. It’s every evidence that you exist as a person too.

With Cosby and even Peewee Herman, it’s a little different. People are disgusted by what they did. Even people who don’t agree with cancel culture. Shunning abhorrent behavior is a very old concept. So I think what happened to them is more like the typical type of shunning. It’s just the attempts to erase every evidence that they existed that’s evident of cancel culture.

 

[JettaKnight]

Good point. Another example. The great things that Jefferson did are not invalidated by his slave ownership. People are human and humans have cobwebs. Sometimes great people can have a lot of cobwebs. That doesn’t excuse the horrible things some of these people do. But it does explain it a little. The good is not invalidated by the bad. The two can stand separately.

But that’s not the purpose of cancel culture anyway. The purpose is to control dissent. Enforce homogeneity of belief. It’s essentially mass shunning. When you’re canceled, it’s not just you. It’s every evidence that you exist as a person too.

With Cosby and even Peewee Herman, it’s a little different. People are disgusted by what they did. Even people who don’t agree with cancel culture. Shunning abhorrent behavior is a very old concept. So I think what happened to them is more like the typical type of shunning. It’s just the attempts to erase every evidence that they existed that’s evident of cancel culture.

The same thing is current in Christianity - one of the titans of the faith, Ravi Zacharias, died a year or two ago... now it's coming to light that he really, really like massages. And in his effort to cover it up, was bullying and abusive.

So, how does that affect what he said and wrote?

 

[Bill of Rights]

So how do you feel about the actors in action movies acting like they are firearms experts, but off-screen are intensely anti-2A?

Their justification is often, "Well, there's a difference between telling a story and really DOING what they do in the story. You don't see Harrison Ford really going around carrying a blaster or a bullwhip, after all!", and to some extent, I can see that rationale, but I can also see that it's a smokescreen for "I get paid big bucks to run around and play like I'm someone else", and also "We important people who can pay someone else to protect us from you, the unwashed little people, should be able to be safe. You can just take your chances. Or you can become a big actor like I did."

How do I feel about it? I think it's disingenuous at best, dishonest being a better word for it. I think it s on the individual rights that we all, actor and so-called unwashed alike, hold as a birthright. At the same time, they have a right to whatever opinion they want, just as we have a right to not give a crap and not give them a platform.

Does that help?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[KMaC]

Not that anyone reading this ever believed that Grammies, Oscars or any award given by Hollywood had special meaning, but Stossel is good at pulling back the curtain to show hypocrisy.

 

[BugI02]

Had a thought tonight about people being cancelled. In another thread, a comment was made about killing kids and nuns and the use of an AR to do so. I replied that one does not need an AR to go after nuns, just an ambulance, and posted this:



And it got me thinking: Bill Cosby did some fine work with kids with the "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids" TV show, based on his own childhood. He later did some very funny routines, including one about Noah talking with God about the ark and so forth.... Really hilarious stuff, and CLEAN comedy. He was a comic who did not have to cuss to be funny.

And then it came out that this man who had done so much good had also done some very seriously bad things as well, drugging women for sex, etc. So the thought occurred to me: Is all of his work tainted by the poor behavior and bad judgement? is it just to deny anyone else the benefit of the Cosby Kids lessons because some of his behavior, then or later, was reprehensible?

Another example of this is Paul Reubens, aka "Pee Wee Herman". OK, so not in the goofy suit or makeup, as a grown adult, he went to an adult movie in a porn shop and got caught there...I don't recall if he was caught choking his chicken or if that was just hyperbole based on where he was, but the point is, he did a show for children, but he was not one himself at the time. He didn't do anything TO the children, but he was painted as a perv anyway. I'm not sure that's justice either.

Note that I am NOT defending the actions of either man. If you want to watch a porno, that's your business..... but maybe do it at home?
If you want to drug women for sex..... I don't know what to tell you. Get over it... there really isn't anywhere you can do that and it be OK. What I'm saying is that what they do offscreen should not affect what they have done on screen, IMHO.

As Steven Crowder says, "Change my mind". I'm not married to these thoughts, and I'm willing to listen to other perspectives. I may not agree, but then, you may not agree with me. We can still discuss things with civility.

Annnnnd go.

Blessings,
Bill

People like Cosby were funniest when drawing on their experiences when they were a struggling nobody. Once they become somebody, many seem to think it is then OK to use others for their own enjoyment - something they may have had to put up with while still struggling

Makes me wonder if it is self-perpetuating like hazing, where those who endured it feel it is their right to dish it out once they are the 'upper-classmen'

I am forced to wonder if Hollywood is adept at ferreting out and amplifying existing character flaws in the people it lionizes or if it is just so corrosive that it erodes new flaws where there were none to begin with. Either way, it seems most who fall are riding on their laurels and their best work is behind them when they choose the broad way to the wide gate

 

[JettaKnight]

I hear Benjamin Boyce on a podcast talking about good ole Evergreen State College... wow.

The whole thing is like a Milgram experiment, and Lord of the Flies, and Animal Farm all wrapped into one.

Here's got YouTube videos about it all (full disclosure: I haven't watched them yet.)

 

[2A_Tom]

I watch puppets like Damon and others there pro movie shoot em up and anti freedom. But I am careful not to pay them for the show.

 

[Ark]

I hear Benjamin Boyce on a podcast talking about good ole Evergreen State College... wow.

The whole thing is like a Milgram experiment, and Lord of the Flies, and Animal Farm all wrapped into one.

Here's got YouTube videos about it all (full disclosure: I haven't watched them yet.)

Evergreen was the canary in the coal mine for everything that is happening today. That was THE moment critical race theory and woke ideology hit the breakout point and started taking over. Now we all live at Evergreen.

 

[jamil]

The same thing is current in Christianity - one of the titans of the faith, Ravi Zacharias, died a year or two ago... now it's coming to light that he really, really like massages. And in his effort to cover it up, was bullying and abusive.

So, how does that affect what he said and wrote?

I mean. Who doesn't?

I've heard the name, but I don't really know anything about Ravi Zacharias. I don't know in what ways he was a titan of Christianity. If he went around preaching don't really, really like massages, he's just another hypocrite among many. Does that mean that Christians should now go out and have a fling with a paid masseuse? What Christian would advocate for that? Does it mean that people have found a reason now to look at this guy as a flawed human? Of course. Separate the message from the messenger.

 

[JettaKnight]

I mean. Who doesn't?

I've heard the name, but I don't really know anything about Ravi Zacharias. I don't know in what ways he was a titan of Christianity. If he went around preaching don't really, really like massages, he's just another hypocrite among many. Does that mean that Christians should now go out and have a fling with a paid masseuse? What Christian would advocate for that? Does it mean that people have found a reason now to look at this guy as a flawed human? Of course. Separate the message from the messenger.

Yeah, it's tricky.

Because what he did was really icky.


I read the reports. One woman came forward and was bullied and defamed by Ravi and the board of directors.

 

[jsx1043]

I hear Benjamin Boyce on a podcast talking about good ole Evergreen State College... wow.

The whole thing is like a Milgram experiment, and Lord of the Flies, and Animal Farm all wrapped into one.

Here's got YouTube videos about it all (full disclosure: I haven't watched them yet.)

Every single one of those douchebags is a waste of DNA and ATP synthesis. The consciousness of someone who was going to cure cancer or develop the next technological breakthrough could have been implanted into one of those bodies but no - it had to be Junior J. Patchouli and his/her/xe/they and their “Reeeeeee!!! social justice.

That school needs Vladimir Makarov to take a walk around the campus...

 

[jamil]

I hear Benjamin Boyce on a podcast talking about good ole Evergreen State College... wow.

The whole thing is like a Milgram experiment, and Lord of the Flies, and Animal Farm all wrapped into one.

Here's got YouTube videos about it all (full disclosure: I haven't watched them yet.)

I'm glad you've seen it. At the root of "wokeism" is a strange religious/cultural manifestation of Marxism. This is the biggest threat to America as a free society.

White nationalism isn't even a blip on the radar compared to this, but most of America has their radar so ultra-tuned for seeing Nazis everywhere they can't see the Marxism creeping in. And I'm not saying there aren't any white nationalists. They're few and far between compared to the crop of cultural Marxists zealots being cranked out of progressive institutions like iphones from Chinese assembly lines. And the WN don't have any institutional power. WN appears to be on the rise, but I think that is a function of white nationalists exploiting some naive conservatives' frustration with the state of things to pump up membership.

The Woke own nearly all of the institutions now. The Church is one of the last institutions not owned by wokeists, and there are signs that wokeism is even overtaking that. When you hear Diversity/Equity/Inclusion talked about in your church, beware. That's the new Holy Trinity. It's a bellwether for where your church is headed.