Texas to take up bill requiring Ten Commandments in every public school

[JettaKnight]

Maybe I'm showing my age, but when I think of drag queens I think of Dame Edna, and yeah, I totally listen to that story hour.

 

[JettaKnight]

Who goes downtown in Ft Wayne?

I lived there for 14 years. That was many years ago so maybe y'all have figured out how to make your downtown work. It was dead AF compared to other cities when I lived there. The only reasons I ever had to go downtown was if I had business at the city/county building. And jury duty. I did that a couple times.

It's been totally revived in the last decade. The genesis was the ball park.

 

[RCB]

Unfortunately, that's never going to pass.

Sadly, that's the case. Public school as an experiment has failed due to ourselves. We kept voting in weak officials that let them twist the 1st amendment into something it's not. There isn't any prohibition on religion in government, just a prohibition against an "official" religion.
However, what we see is a symptom of a people who have wholly turned away from God. It happened in Israel too and they had the 10 commandments officially part of their government, but they still turned to embrace sin.

 

[DadSmith]

Again, I think you're attaching secular humanism with evolution. Evolution is a scientific theory that explains how life came about. It's scientific because it was derived through a scientific process of observation, experimentation, and testing. That last part is important. It's not a science if it's not testable.

Creation theory isn't scientific. For that theory to work, a belief in a higher power creating everything must precede anything else. It's not based on observation, experimentation, and testing. That god created everything is not testable. And it presupposes a belief in God.

But, so what? A scientific answer is not always the right answer. What if there is a God? Science is incapable of discovering God. Science is just a process to help discover truths about things. It can't discover things that aren't testable.

All that to say, society should not attempt to eliminate religious belief. But also, a free society does not establish a de facto religion. Society should not compel religion and it should not forbid religion. So far as the state goes, it should be agnostic on religion.

But in a science class, all science is on the table. So evolution should be taught in science classes. Creation "science" is a faith. It should not be taught in science classes. Secular humanism is inherently a religious point of view, and should not be taught as fact. But it's good to discuss all religious views in philosophy classes.

No it's historic science. It was witnessed by human beings and that was passed down by generations until it was written down.
Can't get more scientific than that.

 

[jamil]

So how do schools keep from crossing that line when the take money from students that say “in god we trust” to pay for school lunches? I guess being selective based on how it benefits the school is justified.

How is that being selective? From a secular perspective, I wouldn't care if the money says in god we trust. It's a slogan. Just like I don't care that it's on Indiana license tags.

 

[jamil]

No it's historic science. It was witnessed by human beings and that was passed down by generations until it was written down.
Can't get more scientific than that.

Is that testable? It was written, sure. By someone. But was it actually observed?

 

[jamil]

Maybe I'm showing my age, but when I think of drag queens I think of Dame Edna, and yeah, I totally listen to that story hour.

Yeah, but given the videos of what these drag queens do, this isn't that.

 

[DadSmith]

Is that testable? It was written, sure. By someone. But was it actually observed?

Yes it was observed. However, people do not want to accept it.
Evolution was not observed yet people have a lot of faith to believe its real. That makes it a religion.

 

[jamil]

It's been totally revived in the last decade. The genesis was the ball park.

What happened to the park the tin cups or caps or whateverthe**** the name was? I remember they played somewhere around Johnny Appleseed park. Did they build a new stadium?

 

[jamil]

Yes it was observed. However, people do not want to accept it.
Evolution was not observed yet people have a lot of faith to believe its real. That makes it a religion.

What's the empirical evidence that those biblical events were observed? Show me the stuff and I have no problem accepting it. You can start with Adam and Eve.

 

[JettaKnight]

What happened to the park the tin cups or caps or whateverthe**** the name was? I remember they played somewhere around Johnny Appleseed park. Did they build a new stadium?

Yeah, for the Tin Cups (formerly the Wizards), right downtown and it's pretty nice. The alleys got cleaned up with murals everywhere, good restaurants, hotels, shops, etc.

The old ballpark by the colosseum was dump, the new place is really cool.

 

[Ingomike]

That's funny, a lot of "conservatives" are really happy lately to tell teachers what they can and can't tell students, what books their allowed to have etc. etc.

Are you a supporter of porn in elementary schools?

 

[JettaKnight]

So how do schools keep from crossing that line when the take money from students that say “in god we trust” to pay for school lunches? I guess being selective based on how it benefits the school is justified.

Do we Christians even believe, "in God we trust"? If so, then why are we so fearful, and hitch or wagons to immoral leaders to gain political power?

Were American Christians better that Christians in the USSR in the fifties? In terms of freedom and earthy life, clearly yes. But in terms of eternity and serving God, as is our purpose?

I fully believe that Christian society and Christian government leads to better outcome for all, but I'm not sold on achieving that via political means.

 

[JettaKnight]

Are you a supporter of porn in elementary schools?

Where did you find all that straw to construct that man?

 

[DadSmith]

What's the empirical evidence that those biblical events were observed? Show me the stuff and I have no problem accepting it. You can start with Adam and Eve.

What is the empirical evidence of the big bang or the cesspool of life? How about anything that happened more than 7000 years ago.

One was observed the other was not.
Its up to you to accept it or reject it.

 

[jamil]

Where did you find all that straw to construct that man?

I mean. He’s not wrong about that. Do you think a book explicitly illustrating eating *****, or a boy sucking another boy’s **** belongs in an elementaschool library? There’s a little wiggle room for what is and what is not porn but that seems to me clearly beyond the line.

 

[Ziggidy]

Hopefully not.

Why?

 

[JettaKnight]

I mean. He’s not wrong about that. Do you think a book explicitly illustrating eating *****, or a boy sucking another boy’s **** belongs in an elementaschool library? There’s a little wiggle room for what is and what is not porn but that seems to me clearly beyond the line.

Who would?!

You can say that these laws are to keep that material out, but the actual line is being drawn far away from that.

Without resorting to sensationalist media, what elementary school library had such material? Is there some librarian in Indiana actually putting that on the shelf for little kids to read? And is there a school board that's actually okay with this?

 

[JettaKnight]

Why?

TLDR the thread?

 

[JettaKnight]

What is the empirical evidence of the big bang or the cesspool of life? How about anything that happened more than 7000 years ago.

One was observed the other was not.
Its up to you to accept it or reject it.

Even if you take the Bible in a very wooden reading of Genesis 1, there was no one around for the first five days to observe it.