Texas to take up bill requiring Ten Commandments in every public school

[jamil]

Observation can not have happened in the past so its still blind faith in man's interpretation. That interpretation is based on their worldview.
Look at climate science it's just as corrupt.
All science of today is corrupt because of the worldview pushed on science.

Let's say you see a gif that gives a short animated series of a rack of pool balls after being struck by a cue ball. And you know next to nothing about pool. Since the sequence starts after the rack was struck there's no way to observe how the balls got set into motion.

Someone might come along and say the hand of Isfet, God of disorder, caused the cue balls to be set into motion. I used the Egyptian god for illustration so as not to be blasphemous with the God of Abraham.

Anyway, a scientist who is good at math and physics, studies the sequence, and using math and physics, calculates the likely path of the cue ball and determines that it must have struck the balls and caused them to react the way they did. Then, several other scientists, all good at math and physics, reviews the first scientists conclusions, one of whom says, uh, you forgot a sign. The cue ball did strike the rack of balls, but it struck it here, instead of there.

Both examples used current observations. One used religious beliefs to determine a cause consistent with those beliefs. The other used tools to extrapolate what must have happened based on what's known about the math and physics of what was observed.

That's a simplified explanation of the big bang theory. Not that a giant cue ball struck whatever was the beginning of the universe and splatted it all over the place. But. It looks like the universe is expanding. Okay so expanding from what? Something. What caused it? They don't know. So they use the "big bang" terminology as shorthand for the thing they think must have caused it? And maybe their math is wrong.

We probably have an incomplete idea. Webb telescope is both proving and disproving many theories. And maybe some scientist will stumble across some new physical evidence that changes the math. And maybe the new math will make the earth look a lot younger. I doubt it. But in an unknown domain, everything not known is possible. There may be a God. God may have sent his son to save the world. Or. Maybe the heavenly bodies are pool balls on a really complicated pool table.

 

[jamil]

Observation can not have happened in the past so its still blind faith in man's interpretation. That interpretation is based on their worldview.
Look at climate science it's just as corrupt.
All science of today is corrupt because of the worldview pushed on science.

Oh. I forgot to address the climate science. Activist scientists invalidate science. Not every scientist is an activist. For example, remember the CNN clip where Don Le MON is correcting the scientist about what caused the hurricane? That scientist was just doing his job and wasn't a climate activist and had a pretty sane view of the situation. I think most scientists are not activists.

I don't think astrophysicists all go into the field because they're anti-Christian activists. They're just geeks who grew up thinking space is REALLY cool and they want to learn as much about the universe as possible.

 

[jamil]

Ultimately that's my problem with the Creation Research Institute - they have a clear and unwavering result and all their research goes to supporting that.

That's not science. Science requires a hypothesis and then the ability (and open mind) to prove or disprove it.

Steps to recovery:

1. Follow to Libs of TicToc on twitter. She just sours TicToc for activist teachers being themselves, or school board meetings where parents have discovered these materials in the school libraries
2. Observe
3. Reconcile your observations with your perceived reality
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 until NPR is no longer listenable.

 

[DadSmith]

All modern science is agenda driven. Nothing is pure science as it is supposed to be.
You can preach what science is supposed to be. However, it is far from it today.

 

[Route 45]

Good luck with your signs.

Nearly half of Gen Z, born after 1996, has no religious affiliation whatsoever

New data from the Cooperative Election Study reveals startling facts about the least religious generation ever

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[Gabriel]

How is posting the 10 Commandments “teaching or endorsing” religion?

How isn't it?

 

[jamil]

All modern science is agenda driven. Nothing is pure science as it is supposed to be.
You can preach what science is supposed to be. However, it is far from it today.

Not all scientists. Not all fields. I'd go as far as saying it's mostly agenda driven. But really, depending on the field, it's money driven. Big pharma? Money driven. But, even though pharma science is heavily money driven, they do manage to come up with some helpful drugs. Ivermectin, for example.

Also politics can drive science. We've mentioned climate science. But also religious teachings are plagued by many of the same problems. I mean, how did ESG make it so deep into churches if they were all primarily focused on the great commission?

 

[DadSmith]

Not all scientists. Not all fields. I'd go as far as saying it's mostly agenda driven. But really, depending on the field, it's money driven. Big pharma? Money driven. But, even though pharma science is heavily money driven, they do manage to come up with some helpful drugs. Ivermectin, for example.

Also politics can drive science. We've mentioned climate science. But also religious teachings are plagued by many of the same problems. I mean, how did ESG make it so deep into churches if they were all primarily focused on the great commission?

It's called apostasy.

 

[jamil]

It's called apostasy.

I’m familiar with the term. Fat lot of good having a name for it has done. Eh?

 

[DadSmith]

I’m familiar with the term. Fat lot of good having a name for it has done. Eh?

Signs of the times.

 

[Amishman44]

If hanging a sign in a school made any difference, there'd be no school shootings. We are long past the time where "putting prayer back in schools" or displaying 10 Commandments will do any good. The problem is far upstream from any of that stuff and conservatives seem to only be interested in fighting battles that will do nothing to resolve the issues.

Case in point:

Working to 'normalize' perversions...

 

[Ingomike]

Not all scientists. Not all fields. I'd go as far as saying it's mostly agenda driven. But really, depending on the field, it's money driven.

You just made the case against the first two sentences by acknowledging science is purchased, as it has been mostly through history. Today it is leftists and grants, then it was the catholic church among others…

 

[JettaKnight]

Steps to recovery:

1. Follow to Libs of TicToc on twitter. She just sours TicToc for activist teachers being themselves, or school board meetings where parents have discovered these materials in the school libraries
2. Observe
3. Reconcile your observations with your perceived reality
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 until NPR is no longer listenable.

Hard pass.

 

[JettaKnight]

All modern science is agenda driven. Nothing is pure science as it is supposed to be.
You can preach what science is supposed to be. However, it is far from it today.

As opposed to say... Galileo's time?


FTR, DadSmith, about ten to twenty years ago, I was right where you are in your position, vis-a-vis the Bible in schools.

Not saying you're wrong and I'm right, just that I changed after watching how we evangelicals acted over that time. There's a lot of things that evangelicals did with political power that I can't square with Biblical Christianity.

 

[Ziggidy]

How isn't it?

Answering a question with a question?

Are you suggesting that all banners, postings and such are for teaching and endorsing?

That was answering a question with 2 questions! You’re up!

 

[Ziggidy]

I'll re-sum it for you. If it's public, if you get your religious texts in schools, everyone else does too. It's what it is.

OK! Let’s do it!

BTW, No belief is actually faith. Everyone has faith in something, everyone. Every positive saying, every uplifting poster can be considered religion. Some shrinks say certain colors in a room will produce specific feelings - to many that can be a religion. Easter bunnies, fall decorations, Halloween……dang - everything can be considered bad for one reason or another; why do you get to determine what the school children see (All while the weird man in women’s clothing is lap dancing an 8 y/o?) Let’s give a “spring break” - whoa, just what Wicca people do? Right?

Where does it start and where does it end? Who determines what influences are allowed in school?

 

[Ziggidy]

As opposed to say... Galileo's time?


FTR, DadSmith, about ten to twenty years ago, I was right where you are in your position, vis-a-vis the Bible in schools.

Not saying you're wrong and I'm right, just that I changed after watching how we evangelicals acted over that time. There's a lot of things that evangelicals did with political power that I can't square with Biblical Christianity.

You allow man to influence your stand today? How about if we leave men out of it and post the 10 Commandments WITHOUT any teachings of such? Your hurt feelings should not dictate to others.

 

[XMil]

The more I think about this. It depends. If we're talking about directly, I agree. But people's values will be influenced by their religion and if we're only talking about communities teaching what their constituents think is important, their religion will influence that.

So, using YOUR hypothesis here. What if "communities teaching what their constituents think is important" means drag queens teaching sexual education including same sex lovemaking techniques?

Should teachers invite drag queens to thrust their crotches in student's faces? There are videos of that happening and that's what is fueling the laws being put in place now. Parents are furious that school officials are defending that kind of thing. At first the school officials denied it was happening. Then videos of it happening caused those same officials to start defending it. So what are legislators to think?

No, but I'm sure this not the national crisis Tucker Carlson wants you to think it is.

 

[XMil]

Are you a supporter of porn in elementary schools?

That doesn't seem like a serious question. Are you saying that if Republican legislators aren't allowed to ban any books they choose, that the logical and unstoppable result is Huslter magazine becoming required reading in 1st grade?

Of course not, the premise is ridiculous and you know it. It is, by the way, already against the law to "show or provide" pornography to minors ( I.C. 35-49-3-3).

I suspect the problem here is that we're talking about books that contain a world view that make a narrow subset of people uncomfortable. If you open the door for banning books based on political agenda, then you should remember that people "on the other side" also get that right. You should read some history about who has banned books, and how that turned out.

 

[XMil]

How is posting the 10 Commandments “teaching or endorsing” religion?

I think parents should be more concerned about what is actually being taught and exposed rather that seeing the 10 Commandment son the wall.

You know the answer to this. I will remind you that the "separation of church and state" was one of the the important fundamental concepts stated as necessary for the success of the new union created by Thomas Jefferson et al.

Also, what about 1 and 4? That's pretty specific to the religion you seem to want the government to endorse.

Like I said to Jamil, let's use what I believe to be your way of thinking. If it's "just something hanging around the classroom and that's really not an endorsement or establishment":

• Why not a poster with the 5 pillars of Islam hanging in Mrs. Jones 2nd grade class. I mean, It's just good morality right?
• Would a pride flag hanging beside the white board at the front of the class be ok?
• How about pictures of ALL kinds of American families. Two men with a child, a trans woman and a cis woman with adopted black children, two women and their occasional third party love interest?

I assume (although I may be wrong) that you'd have a problem with these. Do we need a reminder that forcing OUR beliefs to be taught is school is bad a dangerous? If you set up a system where you can force your values on people, then you lose the right to complain when someone else uses that same system to force theirs onto you.



As I side note to the reply's I've had to make today. I can't believe that I have to, on an American gun forum, have to explain that banning books, censorship and government endorsed religion is bad thing. It's like I walked through the looking glass... I suspect I'm just falling victim to squeaky wheel syndrome.