Texas to take up bill requiring Ten Commandments in every public school

[Ingomike]

The First Amendment literally prohibits the establishment of religion by the government. If you don't believe that posting religious text on the walls of public, government funded schools is an element of establishing religion, then you shouldn't be shocked when some want to take your guns because you don't belong to a well-regulated militia. We either pay attention to the intent of the founding fathers outside of the text of the Constitution, known by their published speeches and writings, or we let Karen decide if you are in a militia or not.

If we are ignoring the ideas of the founding fathers, I guess Thomas Jefferson can be told, posthumously of course, to go pound sand.

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Thomas Jefferson - Jan. 1, 1802

You are insisting that the constitution says what it does not, just like the moms needing action. I have not argued schools should be required to post the Ten Commandment. But saying that the posting of them is “establishment of a government religion“ is also ridiculous. What Jefferson says and what was ratified in the constitution are two different things.

 

[Ingomike]

Interesting how “separation of church and state“ applies only when it suits them.

“Harris gave a speech at church in the state Friday, accusing the GOP-majority governing body of trashing Democracy by silencing the lawmakers and the voters they represent.”

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[HoosierLife]

The First Amendment literally prohibits the establishment of religion by the government. If you don't believe that posting religious text on the walls of public, government funded schools is an element of establishing religion, then you shouldn't be shocked when some want to take your guns because you don't belong to a well-regulated militia. We either pay attention to the intent of the founding fathers outside of the text of the Constitution, known by their published speeches and writings, or we let Karen decide if you are in a militia or not.

If we are ignoring the ideas of the founding fathers, I guess Thomas Jefferson can be told, posthumously of course, to go pound sand.

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Thomas Jefferson - Jan. 1, 1802

So children being taught to read from the Bible in schools, prayer being apart of every facet of life, swearing on a Bible, and the 10 commandments being in schools until the 60-70s were done by generations of people that misunderstood the 1st Amendment?

I don’t think it ever entered the Founders mind’s that we would be debating this.

They didn’t want the government to setup the Church of America. Like what they had fled from in Europe.

 

[Route 45]

You are insisting that the constitution says what it does not, just like the moms needing action. I have not argued schools should be required to post the Ten Commandment. But saying that the posting of them is “establishment of a government religion“ is also ridiculous. What Jefferson says and what was ratified in the constitution are two different things.

If we ignore the writings of the founders outside of the text of the Constitution, how are we to determine intent? Because there is no enumerated list of what constitutes the establishment of a religion in the Constitution, there must be interpretation of the clause.

We're not talking about "allowing" the posting of religious texts. We're talking about a bill to require the posting of religious texts in public schools...in every single classroom.

The requirement to post the Ten Commandments in each public school classroom by law is obviously a government establishment of religion.

Not that it matters much, anyway. All of the wall posters in the world will not stop the decline of religion amongst the younger generation.

 

[Ingomike]

The requirement to post the Ten Commandments in each public school classroom by law is obviously a government establishment of religion.

Again, ridiculous thinking. Is the posting requiring anyone to worship in a certain way? What is the penalty if they do not worship as the poster says?

 

[Ingomike]

Not that it matters much, anyway. All of the wall posters in the world will not stop the decline of religion amongst the younger generation.

True this…

 

[Route 45]

So children being taught to read from the Bible in schools, prayer being apart of every facet of life, swearing on a Bible, and the 10 commandments being in schools until the 60-70s were done by generations of people that misunderstood the 1st Amendment?

I don’t think it ever entered the Founders mind’s that we would be debating this.

They didn’t want the government to setup the Church of America. Like what they had fled from in Europe.

"We've always done it this way" is not an argument for what is right. One of the smartest founders understood this.

 

[Route 45]

Again, ridiculous thinking. Is the posting requiring anyone to worship in a certain way? What is the penalty if they do not worship as the poster says?

What is the penalty if a teacher refuses to post them on the wall? Should they go to jail?

 

[Route 45]

Interesting how “separation of church and state“ applies only when it suits them.

“Harris gave a speech at church in the state Friday, accusing the GOP-majority governing body of trashing Democracy by silencing the lawmakers and the voters they represent.”

Kamala Harris hammered for 'loud' defense of expelled Tennessee Democrats: 'What's wrong with this lady?'

Twitter users blasted Vice President Kamala Harris for her "loud" speech defending the protests that happened in the Tennessee state legislature this week.

www.foxnews.com

Two groups can be wrong at the same time.

Seems that this "church" has allowed itself to become a political forum.

Tax them.

 

[Ingomike]

What is the penalty if a teacher refuses to post them on the wall? Should they go to jail?

Got, can’t answer the question…

 

[Route 45]

Again, ridiculous thinking. Is the posting requiring anyone to worship in a certain way? What is the penalty if they do not worship as the poster says?

Establishment of religion has never required worship. The establishment of the religion is enough to violate the 1st Amendment. Forcing people to worship is an entirely new level of tyranny.

Now, your turn. I would guess that a law requiring the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools would require that a person employed by the school actually has to physically post them. Should any school employee who refuses to post the Ten Commandments on the classroom wall be arrested?

 

[Ingomike]

Two groups can be wrong at the same time.

Seems that this "church" has allowed itself to become a political forum.

Tax them.

See now we have a real violation of constitutional rights in this post. So government taxing them would “prohibit the free exercise of religion” as would saying the church cannot organize politically…

 

[Ingomike]

Establishment of religion has never required worship. The establishment of the religion is enough to violate the 1st Amendment. Forcing people to worship is an entirely new level of tyranny.

Now, your turn. I would guess that a law requiring the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools would require that a person employed by the school actually has to physically post them. Should any school employee who refuses to post the Ten Commandments on the classroom wall be arrested?

If the government wants them posted the government should post them. What happens if you do not do your job?

 

[Route 45]

If the government wants them posted the government should post them. What happens if you do not do your job?

You are calling for government agents outside of the school system to enter public schools and post religious text on the walls in classrooms? And inferring that teachers who do not post the religious texts to be fired?

Wow.

"FrEeDoM"

 

[Route 45]

See now we have a real violation of constitutional rights in this post. So government taxing them would “prohibit the free exercise of religion” as would saying the church cannot organize politically…

When does it cease to be a church and instead become a propaganda wing of the Democrat party?

 

[Shadow01]

The First Amendment literally prohibits the establishment of religion by the government. If you don't believe that posting religious text on the walls of public, government funded schools is an element of establishing religion, then you shouldn't be shocked when some want to take your guns because you don't belong to a well-regulated militia. We either pay attention to the intent of the founding fathers outside of the text of the Constitution, known by their published speeches and writings, or we let Karen decide if you are in a militia or not.

If we are ignoring the ideas of the founding fathers, I guess Thomas Jefferson can be told, posthumously of course, to go pound sand.

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Thomas Jefferson - Jan. 1, 1802

Our federal buildings have many examples of religious wording on them. Schools should be treated no differently. Your money has religious wording, yet you have no issues. earning it or spending it. This obsession with the supposed separation of church and state should either be followed 100% or not at all. Nit picking little issues here or there is nothing but worthless complaining.

posting the 10 commandments is not the “establishment of an official State religion “.

 

[Ingomike]

You are calling for government agents outside of the school system to enter public schools and post religious text on the walls in classrooms? And inferring that teachers who do not post the religious texts to be fired?

Wow.

"FrEeDoM"

You must get exhausted jumping to conclusions so much.

Again, if the government wants the Ten Commandments posted in a government school, they can do it, and whatever the government’s agreement with its employees told to do a job is what determines what happens if an employee is insubordinate…

 

[Ingomike]

When does it cease to be a church and instead become a propaganda wing of the Democrat party?

When do they create the votes the dems need to win elections?

 

[HoosierLife]

You are calling for government agents outside of the school system to enter public schools and post religious text on the walls in classrooms? And inferring that teachers who do not post the religious texts to be fired?

Wow.

"FrEeDoM"

Not religious texts smh.

Literally what God Almighty told Moses from Mt Sinai.

It has nothing to do with religion.

 

[jamil]

The First Amendment literally prohibits the establishment of religion by the government. If you don't believe that posting religious text on the walls of public, government funded schools is an element of establishing religion

Hold on. Having religious posters on the walls is itself not establishment. But if only the religious materials from a certain religion are posted, where there is only a religious reason to post it, that's establishment.