Dr.Midnight
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How much does it cost every April to have all those children over to hunt Easter Eggs on the White House lawn? Sometimes things are done just for goodwill or to drive home a point.
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How much does it cost every April to have all those children over to hunt Easter Eggs on the White House lawn? Sometimes things are done just for goodwill or to drive home a point.
Could it be that Pence was really planning on attending the game. Then Trump asked him (Pence) to do him a favor and walk out of the game if any players took a knee. Pence agreed, and knowing that it most likely would happen, he informed the press that he would probably be leaving early.
Ok, let's go with that. The San Francisco 49ers were the first team to start kneeling, and has had the MOST players, collectively, kneel at each game. Did Mike Pence think that from some amazing stroke of luck that they were going to stop doing it, at this particular game? Anyone with half a brain would expect, without reservation, that the Niners were going to kneel. You gotta question the logic of anyone who decides to take a $250K bet on something that most people expect to happen. And further NONE of the home team kneeled. It was the visitors, so again you gotta question the motives here. This, to me, seems like a plainly obvious political stunt orchestrated by the president, not Pence.... Pence simply has no backbone.
SheepDog4Life
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"Political stunt" that enrages liberals and (redundantly) the media, while everyone else is nodding their head in agreement with said stunt EQUALS a successful political stunt, IMO.
Not sure I understand the premise that Trump must have directed Pence to do what he did. Based on what I know of Pence, it is not out of character for the action he took. Assigning blame to Trump without proof or substance is nothing more than a continuing political attack by those that will blame Trump for anything and everything.
Secondly, I'm not sure who started the misinformation about Pence only being at the game for 10 minutes. From what I gather from several people who were actually at the game Pence arrived around noon and then left after 1:00 when the San Francisco players chose to assert their 1st Amendment rights. I believe Pence also asserted his 1st Amendment rights. Please explain the difference. And don't tell me Pence's position as V.P. carries more weight than the players. Each were apparently given roughly the same amount of coverage. The primary difference seems to be the players continue to be lauded by the press and those that favor their position, the V.P. has received negative press and publicity.
Guess some folks "rights" are more important than others.
Secondly, I'm not sure who started the misinformation about Pence only being at the game for 10 minutes. From what I gather from several people who were actually at the game Pence arrived around noon and then left after 1:00 when the San Francisco players chose to assert their 1st Amendment rights. I believe Pence also asserted his 1st Amendment rights. Please explain the difference. And don't tell me Pence's position as V.P. carries more weight than the players. Each were apparently given roughly the same amount of coverage. The primary difference seems to be the players continue to be lauded by the press and those that favor their position, the V.P. has received negative press and publicity.
Guess some folks "rights" are more important than others.
You TOTALLY missed my point. My assertion is that maybe Pence was planning on attending the game with or without kneeling players. Them Trump could have said to him "Do me a favor and walk out if any players take a knee", and Pence did what was requested of him.
If that's the standard, then 99.9% of "racism" charges from people should disappear immediately.
femurphy77
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I think you do. You seem like a smart guy, very well read/traveled from your posts it seems. But if you truly don't, it's not worth explaining because you'd never "want" to get it.
I suspect one could transfer that quite easily to Kaepernick's accusations. That 99.9% of the people Kaepernick accuses of oppressing black people and people of color, when he says he can't honor the flag of a country which oppresses black people and people of color, don't actually oppress black people, and people of color.
Now. About Pence. Staging this like that doesn't sit well with me. It's not what serious leaders do. And I'm not going to put the blame all on Pence. He's just doing as his master bids. Being a loyal Veep and all. It's Trump pulling the strings, playing the game.
I'd stand. If you don't, for whatever reason, that's on you. I'm not going to try to mob-shame you into conforming with my social standards.
I'd stand. If you don't, for whatever reason, that's on you. I'm not going to try to mob-shame you into conforming with my social standards.
Mob shaming is all the rage though.
Dr.Midnight
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SheepDog4Life
Natural Gray Man
^^^ THIS ^^^ and not only in Indy. There are plenty (half of them or so) of NFL teams that need a good/decent quarterback. He's just not that good.
Not the same Colts franchise as today's Colts. But yeah, Tittle came from an era when the NFL still had class.
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