Delisting an SBR

[cobber]

I’m planning to restore an SBR to its pistol configuration. The ATF tells that removing the stock is all I have to do, and it can be sold as a pistol.
Alternatively I hear that one should remove the engraved name and city from the receiver as well. Is there anyone with INGO who can help with this procedure?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So, it began life as a pistol?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Is this on a 4 or in a trust?

 

[chezuki]

Unlike Kirk, I am not a lawyer, but here is my understanding.

The ATF recommends removing it from the registry, but not required.

If I no longer want a short-barreled rifle (SBR) and I remove the “brace,” do I need to contact the NFA to un-register my SBR with an attached “stabilizing brace”? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

It is not a requirement to remove your SBR from the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR); however, ATF highly recommends you notify the Government Services Branch (GSB) of the National Firearms Act Division to remove the firearm from the NFRTR registry. All NFRTR updates...

www.atf.gov

There are several variables.

IF it BEGAN life as a pistol, you can remove the stock and it becomes a pistol again. IF it BEGAN life as a rifle, you can put a 16”+ upper on it and it becomes a rifle again.

An individual could then buy and sell these as desired.

I am not sure how this works with a form 1 lower build, but it likely depends on how the lower was classified on the original 4473.

If the item is on a trust, it could be a little more complicated to sell, depending on how the trust is written and your role on the trust.

I see no reason why the engraving would need to be removed.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Unlike Kirk, I am not a lawyer, but here is my understanding.

The ATF recommends removing it from the registry, but not required.

If I no longer want a short-barreled rifle (SBR) and I remove the “brace,” do I need to contact the NFA to un-register my SBR with an attached “stabilizing brace”? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

It is not a requirement to remove your SBR from the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR); however, ATF highly recommends you notify the Government Services Branch (GSB) of the National Firearms Act Division to remove the firearm from the NFRTR registry. All NFRTR updates...

www.atf.gov

There are several variables.

IF it BEGAN life as a pistol, you can remove the stock and it becomes a pistol again. IF it BEGAN life as a rifle, you can put a 16”+ upper on it and it becomes a rifle again.

An individual could then buy and sell these as desired.

I am not sure how this works with a form 1 lower build, but it likely depends on how the lower was classified on the original 4473.

If the item is on a trust, it could be a little more complicated to sell, depending on how the trust is written and your role on the trust.

I see no reason why the engraving would need to be removed.

To add a finer point to Chez's take, if the lower started as a bare lower, it can be whatever you want. Pistol or rifle.

I'm sure @Squirt239 could take care of removing the etch and refinishing. @AllenM as well.

 

[cobber]

So, it began life as a pistol?

Yes.

 

[cobber]

Is this on a 4 or in a trust?

Form 4. I think. I'll check. Been awhile.

 

[cobber]

To add a finer point to Chez's take, if the lower started as a bare lower, it can be whatever you want. Pistol or rifle.

I'm sure @Squirt239 could take care of removing the etch and refinishing. @AllenM as well.

AllenM did the engraving, but it was years ago. Years.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Unlike Kirk, I am not a lawyer, but here is my understanding.

More than one lawyer in this thread.

Cob, you can take a Morgan County Speed Wrench to it or convert it to a pistol. Notify F Troop f the change of status, save copies of letter, re-do trust if you did one, don't ask me about the $200 refund.

Going to include this in my new CLE seminar. Thanks for idea. (Topic not covered enough)

 

[rb288]

A while back, I sbs'd a Vepr 12 shotgun.
I had an approved form 1 on file.
Before I cut the barrel, I changed my mind and chose NOT do it and notified the ATF to remove it from the data base as a sbs as I was not going to follow through with it.
I got a letter ftom them that it was removed and no longer an considered an sbs.
I did NOT get a refund of my $200.
That's the only experience I have along those lines.

 

[tradertator]

I went down this road once, years ago. Paper Form 1, SBR’d the rifle, and turned it back into a pistol to sell it. Called the ATF, and followed orders. Sent a letter to the ATF requesting it be removed and asked for a written response acknowledging it.

Years went by….. and I finally got the letter. I couldn’t believe how long it took, and I had totally forgotten about it by the time it was received. Ridiculous.

 

[rb288]

I went down this road once, years ago. Paper Form 1, SBR’d the rifle, and turned it back into a pistol to sell it. Called the ATF, and followed orders. Sent a letter to the ATF requesting it be removed and asked for a written response acknowledging it.

Years went by….. and I finally got the letter. I couldn’t believe how long it took, and I had totally forgotten about it by the time it was received. Ridiculous.

My return letter took about 2 months.

 

[tradertator]

My return letter took about 2 months.

That’s wild.

To be fair, this was probably ten years ago. But I’m still holding a grudge

 

[ktk120]

I have done this 3 times and never get a letter back but I have called an sometimes its removed within days. I had a buddy just re register one in fact.

 

[Aszerigan]

I’m planning to restore an SBR to its pistol configuration. The ATF tells that removing the stock is all I have to do, and it can be sold as a pistol.
Alternatively I hear that one should remove the engraved name and city from the receiver as well. Is there anyone with INGO who can help with this procedure?

Technically and legally, removing the stock does bring the item back to a pistol status, assuming it's the lower receiver that's registered, and not the upper or sear pack. You do not need to remove the engraving as that becomes ancillary after removal and reverting back to the original condition. But to make it official:

The proper procedure for removing an item from the registry is to write a letter to the ATF stating the following:

Original Manufacturer
Model Number
Serial Number
Caliber
Status (SBR, SBS, MG, DD)
Date of Manufacture (if you have it)

and state you want it removed from the NFA registry. You can send this letter to:

BATFE
NFA Division
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, WV 25405

Or you can email a PDF to nfafax@atf.gov.

If emailing, print a copy to keep for your records. If mailing, send it registered mail. Once that green ticket has been post marked, it's an official document and you're in the clear. You may get a reply in 2-5 months, or you may never, but you have proof that it's a legal delisting at that point.

 

[turnandshoot4]

A while back, I sbs'd a Vepr 12 shotgun.
I had an approved form 1 on file.
Before I cut the barrel, I changed my mind and chose NOT do it and notified the ATF to remove it from the data base as a sbs as I was not going to follow through with it.
I got a letter ftom them that it was removed and no longer an considered an sbs.
I did NOT get a refund of my $200.
That's the only experience I have along those lines.

Did I see this thing at Copper?

 

[rb288]

Did I see this thing at Copper?

No, I lived in Fla at the time.