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Not a problem, this thread is everywhere!
I almost agree with all of your post except:
He has no Constitutional rights on anothers private property, including a business. Whether you're speaking of US or IN, Constitutional Rights don't apply on someone else's property.
Decorum suggests that he should have been the bigger person & just left when the manager gave him two options that he didn't care to aquiesce to.
I can't see why so many otherwise responsible adults can't seem to understand that concept.
WHY potentially get the police involved in a matter that should have easily been settled by mature adults acting in a civil & responsible manner? Why do people have the idea that it's OK to do as they want at the expense of others? Again, I say, THAT is the problem with the world today.
Insomuch as the Constitution is binding to the Federal Government in some areas (not getting into the debate over their treatment of it), you may be right that the Constitution does not allow for some protections on private property. However, while the 1A does say that "Congress shall make no law..." the 2A does not have such a qualifier. Shall not be infringed, not shall not be infringed, unless you're not on your own property. Article 32 of the Indiana Constitution also lacks any qualifier.
Indiana Code also does not restrict the legal carry outside of those places specifically enumerated and codified in its text. It DOES allow for the carry of a weapon without a LTCH on private property with the permission of the property owner.
A Right is a Right, not because it's put onto paper, simply because it's been given to all man, not by man, but by the virtue of existence.
You speak of being mature and acting civilly, and the downfall of modern society due to a lack of respect or an entitlement attitude.
Again, this is your moral compass pointing you to this. The OP seemingly does not have this direction, nor a social obligation to do so.
I, also, disagree that civility, respect and decorum are not always the best answer. Sometimes, you have to make waves. Sometimes you have to kick a little ass. Sometimes, you have to tell someone to go do something anatomically impossible. Sometimes, you have to say no, and mean it.
I also believe that this feel good, show your emotions, softening of our country is leading to its downfall. Especially when it comes to carrying a weapon.
Stand up, pull your boots on, strap your nads back on, slap your shootin' iron onto your belt, and be prepared to lay a beat down on some jack wagon attempting to do you wrong.
I wouldn't want people to see me as the guy who won't because he doesn't have to. I want them to see me as the guy who is gracious and courteous...
Obviously you are anti OC, but you miss the point that it is LEGAL to do so, and many carry that way not to "cause trouble" but because that is the way they CHOOSE to carry. Be it comfort, be it access, whatever the reason.
You disparaging portrayal of OCers as "trouble makers" with "something to prove" just insulted half the members of this Forum. I would suggest thinking a little better before you speak.
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So you are able to discern when and where one "needs" to carry? Maybe the Police should hire you for your psychic ability to know when a citizen is "safe" and when they are not.
...if OC becomes the norm out of necessity, maybe it's time to go commando.
No, not the undies thing.
...I joined INGO because it appeared as if others from Indiana were intelligent and also had a sense of humor about it all.
...Give 'em a reason to take 'em away and they will.
...Be well......I'm on your side !
It DOES allow for the carry of a weapon without a LTCH on private property with the permission of the property owner.
I believe I know how the OP responded due to his reputation, and I would describe it as gracious and courteous.
It DOES allow for the carry of a weapon without a LTCH on private property with the permission of the property owner.
Cite please, the only thing I know of in IC that allows carry of a handgun on private property that is not your own, with permission of the owner is if it's your fixed place of business.
Property rights? What are those? State and local governments have the right to dictate whether I smoke or allow others to smoke on my property. State and local governments have the right to steal land from one private citizen and give it to another private citizen. Sorry for the threadjack...
their house their rules.
Agreed.
Smoking bans are an obvious infringement on property rights.
I wont be voting for Obama or spending my money at BWW, why would anyone give their money to establishments that do not support the second amendment. When my wife and I see a sign like this, we go somewhere else to spend our hard earned money. Do you think criminals are going to pay attention?At BUFFALO WILD WINGS we have tasty wings +
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So I guess both of you are saying is pretty much like admitting that you don't like Obama's policies but you'll be voting for him again in the next election because he seems like a nice enough fellow?
I wont be voting for Obama or spending my money at BWW, why would anyone give their money to establishments that do not support the second amendment. When my wife and I see a sign like this, we go somewhere else to spend our hard earned money. Do you think criminals are going to pay attention?
...why would anyone give their money to establishments that do not support the second amendment.
Yes.
You are in the wrong.
You don't have any rights to free speech while on someone else's private property.
What, you thought I was going to agree with you because you played the "O"-card?
Also, to answer the question about the PDA by gay men:
If the owner of the establishment asks you to stop then I don't see how you have any "right" to continue. The same would be true of PDA by two heterosexuals, also.
Are you really trying to say that if my wife & I decided to engage in some very heavy petting that it would be OK to just ignore the request by the manager to stop? Are you saying that if I did ignore them & continued then others wouldn't think more poorly of ME?
Again, did you think I would say differently because you played the gay-card?
It's true that they don't have the ability to "make" you do anything other than leave but just because the owner didn't take that ultimate step doesn't mean that you still wouldn't be an ass for continuing to act in opposiion to the PRIVATE property owners wishes.
The manager didn't handle it poorly, Mk2ja did. I think the manager handled it professionally. And Mk2ja acted like an ass...
Mk2ja, If you think differently then why don't I just come in to your house & proclaim loudly & repeatedly that Christianity is the cause of all the worlds ills & that anybody who follows it should be thrown in the loony bin? I mean, don't I have the right to freedom of religion & free speech, even in YOUR house?
If you asked me to stop & I refused wouldn't you think I was being an ass if I made you ask me to leave before I complied?
...if OP had been asked to leave and failed to pay, that would be theft