LOL, Jesus dude, how many times does it have to be explained to you?
It's been expalined to me incorrectly plenty of times already.
I'll take another stab at it. It won't help.
"Take that gun out and put it in your car."
No.
"At least cover it up."
No.
"Do not speak again."
Whatever.
"Stand on one foot."
No.
"Put on this jacket."
No.
"Let's see some ID."
No.
"Convert to my religion."
No.
"Try the veal."
No.
"Empty your pockets."
No.
"Is that a banana in your pocket?"
Maybe.
"May I see it?"
No.
"Leave."
OK.
How are most of those "requests" different than the last?
I checked in to INGO last night and found lots of subscribed threads with new posts... all from you. Did you take a few days off INGO? I had noticed that there were lots of extra words lying around in your brief absence.
Yeah, I get busy & actually (gasp!) have a life outside of .
LIAR! HERETIC! BLASPHEMER!
I think that's a banable offense.
Reported.
Ok, I'm a reasonable person.
I'll compromise...
I'll admit that the owner doesn't have the "right" to make you do anything but leave if you will admit that you don't actually have the "right" to do anything that the owner doesn't want you to do except leave.
That shouldn't be so hard to admit (...since it's true).
The only Right the owner has is to make you leave.
The only Right you have is to leave since you can ultimately be punished for acting against the wishes of the owner. If you had a real right then the owner couldn't make you leave for exercising it.
It's pretty simple.
Ok, I'm a reasonable person.
I'll compromise...
I'll admit that the owner doesn't have the "right" to make you do anything but leave correct if you will admit that you don't actually have the "right" to do anything that the owner doesn't want you to do except leave. No, that's a responsibility, not a right. If I'm asked to leave, I have a duty to do so or be trespassed. I still hold my rights, including the right to ignore stupid requests, even if the owner doesn't approve.
That shouldn't be so hard to admit (...since it's true).
The only Right the owner has is to make you leave. Yes.
The only [STRIKE]Right[/STRIKE] responsibility, duty, expectation you have is to leave since you can ultimately be punished for acting against the wishes of the owner. Only if you consider being asked to leave a punishment. The only real "punishment" is trespass if you don't leave when asked. What other punishment can the owner give you? If you had a real right then the owner couldn't make you leave for exercising it. The owner can make me leave because he doesn't like my shoes. The owner can make me leave for any reason. If he chooses my exercising my rights, so be it. It still doesn't remove my rights, something that can't be taken away.
It's pretty simple.
finity said:I'll admit that the owner doesn't have the "right" to make you do anything but leave
correct
finity said:if you will admit that you don't actually have the "right" to do anything that the owner doesn't want you to do except leave.
No, that's a responsibility, not a right.
If I'm asked to leave, I have a duty to do so or be trespassed.
I still hold my rights, including the right to ignore stupid requests, even if the owner doesn't approve.
Only if you consider being asked to leave a punishment.
The only real "punishment" is trespass if you don't leave when asked.
What other punishment can the owner give you?
The owner can make me leave because he doesn't like my shoes. The owner can make me leave for any reason.
If he chooses my exercising my rights, so be it.
It still doesn't remove my rights, something that can't be taken away.
The owner can only make me leave. He can't make me do anything else. If he asks me to cover up, and I refuse, and he lets me stay, he'll just have to learn to live with disappointment.