...One's gun rights end at the front door of private property.
No they don't.
One's rights to be on that private property end there.
...One's gun rights end at the front door of private property.
The manager didn't handle it poorly, Mk2ja did. I think the manager handled it professionally. And Mk2ja acted like an a##...
Mk2ja, If you think differently then why don't I just come in to your house & proclaim loudly & repeatedly that Christianity is the cause of all the worlds ills & that anybody who follows it should be thrown in the loony bin? I mean, don't I have the right to freedom of religion & free speech, even in YOUR house?
No they don't.
One's rights to be on that private property end there.
I don't know how I missed this, but that's it. I'm tired of some your crap and calling Mk2ja an A## along with your comment about Christianity (really you was not smart enough to think of something else).
Mk2ja is a fine outstanding, gentleman that I have had on several occasions to meet and in no way shape or form should he be called that.
Congratulations Finity, you're now the second person that has made my ignore list, it's too bad I have to see anything you post that's quoted.
I've even acted like an "ass" a time or two.
Kinda like the post above?
Ce la vie.
As an absolute newbie to everything having to do with guns, there appears to be a common theme among all staunch opinions when it comes to people's rights. I realize OP had a right to do what he did (and I am totally lost with the whole Big 'R' little 'r' thing so I'm just going to use a little r) but he failed to do the one thing that is required for societies of people to get along.
I like to smoke cigars. There are places that used to allow cigarette smoking, but no cigars. Why? Because the smell bothers people. Did I like it? No, I felt like I was being discriminated against. Did I smoke anyway? No, I respected the rules of the business. I didn't think that telling the manager (if indeed that is who he was ) that it was my right to smoke and he couldn't stop me (not that this was what OP did) was the correct way to make a statement, and the business was not going to change the rule just because a bunch of my friends went in and started smoking cigars one day.
I also recognize that, even in places where I CAN smoke, there also may be people who are bothered by it. So, I often will wait, simply out of consideration, until I can smoke in peace without getting mean stares and idiotic comments. Lighting up anyway doesn't start a converstation between people about my rights, it only makes me look like an inconsiderate person.
Whatever your stance about the smoking ban, it was put in place because there are people who refuse to be considerate of others. Both sides say, "Hey, if you don't like it, go somehere else." Neither is considering the other, it's all about ME, ME, ME, MY RIGHTS, and what I want. Nothing is ever solved this way, and because we can't solve it ourselves, the government makes the law.
There is a time and place for taking a stand and I don't hardly think it is in a BWW at 11PM. Nothing could be gained in doing so and I don't think BWW is going to change its policy just because a bunch of us tell them we aren't going to eat there any more. Refusing to do so is more for our own satisfaction than making some kind of statement.
As a matter of self defense, nothing is lost in covering up your sidearm. As a matter of courtesy I think it should have been done. But that is just me. Perhaps I'm being a bit of a wuss, but I also think that in order to get something, it is best to give something first. The opposition will be much more open to listening when you do.
OP, I think you handled this thread very respectfully and intelligently.
Finity - I also appreciate your input as both sides gave valid and important opinions.
^ What if a manager came up during your meal and said that you couldn't even have your cigars on you?
That's not nearly the same as smoking one (as if the OP were shooting up the place).
Just having your cigars. Think about it.
The OP was not asked to disarm, he was just asked to simply cover the hangun. At least, that is how I read it....