Downtown Indy Riots/damage overnight...

[Phase2]

In the desk drawer with the gun ban bills.

^Basically this. If anyone would actually read those bills, they have hundreds of pages of Democrat wish list items that would leave you scratching your head because the have nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. For example, I can all but guarantee that there are Green initiatives and LGBTxyz items buried in there.

 

[BugI02]

Some of us do... (remember and understand the history of apartheid).

(It's a foreign word, so that's not actually correcting the spelling, just reminding of the correct spelling.)

I thought 'apartheid' was just afrikaans for jim crow

 

[jamil]

Like disassembling actual, legislated, systemic racism?

I don't think that's what he's talking about. I took it that he was referring to the reports going around not all that long ago where they were taking farms away from white people to give to black people.

 

[jamil]

It is dangerous ground to stand upon, but yes.

It works for legislated, systemic racism as well as other things.

I believe the key point was , "redefining terms and demonization". I highly doubt there was any intent to endorse apartheid.

Sorry NKBJ if I'm stepping on your toes.

That's why I didn't think the subject was specifically ending Apartheid. I don't think that's not how it came to an end. But later, rather than seeking equality, the winds of change transformed towards domination.

 

[T.Lex]

I don't think that's what he's talking about. I took it that he was referring to the reports going around not all that long ago where they were taking farms away from white people to give to black people.

Well, that wasn't exactly clear, was it.

And, I can't wait until you read his follow-up.

 

[Sigblitz]

In the desk drawer with the gun ban bills.

You won the internet today.

 

[Bollorollo]

^Basically this. If anyone would actually read those bills, they have hundreds of pages of Democrat wish list items that would leave you scratching your head because the have nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. For example, I can all but guarantee that there are Green initiatives and LGBTxyz items buried in there.

^^^ This^^^ Its about taking advantage by never letting a tragedy go to waste. In the end its about pushing this leftist communists ideology so the idiots can have their authoritarian rule over us. We are literally in a Bolshevik Revolution but the Bolsheviks are a bunch of retards who need their safe spaces.... The whole lgbt alphabet people movement have been manipulate into believing communism is the answer to all their proplems. I've seen it first hand from my alphabet friends... Sad how the leftist were able to shamed the Democrats into falling for their ideology. But then again most are a bunch of soy sipping tards so it shouldn't be to surprising...

 

[jamil]

As a conservative, I want there to be a consistent set of rules for society and I am predisposed toward the set of rules I am familiar with having grown up with them. I am confident, however, that I can prosper according to any reasonably rational and consistent set of rules that we evolve toward

I certainly would resist what I would consider an irrational position, by society, that all white people are bad just by being white. In this I can perhaps see harmonics of what black people feel is a system primed against them simply because they are black, that while it may be a relatively 'consistent' set of rules/constraints it is not to be borne because it cannot be escaped no matter how worthy a person trapped within it may be

I will give qualified support to a movement to break the chains of the one system, but I will not sit still for imposition of a 'solution' that simply transfers the chains to me

A consistent set of rules for society and order and fairness and liberty is of too great a benefit to give up. That's worth conserving. The world that progressives have proposed is unlivable for most people. It's a never ending hierarchical set of privileges handed out by priority of intersections of perceived oppression. That's not orderly at all. This is a new idea that should never see the light of day. Normally it would not take great effort to shut that nonsense down. But as I said earlier, society has been hacked such that its lost its safety net, the voice of conservatives there to stop society from doing stupid ****.

 

[jamil]

Well, that wasn't exactly clear, was it.

And, I can't wait until you read his follow-up.

I didn't see a followup.

 

[T.Lex]

In the end its about pushing this leftist communists ideology so the idiots can have their authoritarian rule over us. We are literally in a Bolshevik Revolution but the Bolsheviks are a bunch of retards who need their safe spaces....

Wait.

Is this the "literally" usage that my kids use?

The Bolshevik Revolution was against an authoritarian monarchy and replaced it with at least a semblance (at the time) of democratic institutions.

How is the current situation "literally" a Bolshevik Revolution. (Do I even want to bring up the Mensheviks?)

 

[T.Lex]

I didn't see a followup.

Oh, let me help you with that....

Not stepping on my toes, sir.
It is the process and the end goal I'm speaking to.
Taking down SA was in essence a test for taking down the book end of resistance to the illuminists, the non-illuminist faction that has been hanging on in the USA.
Even some of the same people are involved this time as were in SA.

By the way, keep one eye on Russia. When they put Putin out to pasture, buckle up.

 

[Alpo]

Wait.

Is this the "literally" usage that my kids use?

The Bolshevik Revolution was against an authoritarian monarchy and replaced it with at least a semblance (at the time) of democratic institutions.

How is the current situation "literally" a Bolshevik Revolution. (Do I even want to bring up the Mensheviks?)

I'll take Holodomor for $500, Alex.

 

[BigRed]

Just to really stir the pot...

I'll throw in that the feminization of our society assigning superiority to emotions to rules has also created this mess.

The break-down of the nuclear family. Children from broken homes and rates of illegitimacy, the rise of the drug culture and secular humanism might also have something else to do with it.

Black Lives Matter isn't real big on the nuclear family.

From their website: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."



https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

I've done my best to follow you guys through some of these threads when you all get on a roll.

I am certainly out of my element. Obviously there is history among you.

I've just been really set on edge lately with the developments of 2020.

Just doing my part to spread some frustration around 'cause there just isn't many places to go for an outlet these days.

Fear, paranoia, outlandish suggestions that are leading our society straight off a cliff and its all being done with a smile.

My prayers go out to you all.

 

[BigRed]

Just to really stir the pot...

I'll throw in that the feminization of our society assigning superiority to emotions to rules has also created this mess.

The break-down of the nuclear family. Children from broken homes and rates of illegitimacy, the rise of the drug culture and secular humanism might also have something else to do with it.

Black Lives Matter is not real big on masculinity either.

From their website: We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

 

[jamil]

Wait.

Is this the "literally" usage that my kids use?

The Bolshevik Revolution was against an authoritarian monarchy and replaced it with at least a semblance (at the time) of democratic institutions.

How is the current situation "literally" a Bolshevik Revolution. (Do I even want to bring up the Mensheviks?)

No. Czar Nicholas abdicated the throne after the revolution months earlier. The Duma led by mostly by bourgeois capitalists formed a provisional government that began instituting some democratic reforms, free speech, etcetera. But oh no, we can't have that. So Lenin with the Bolshevik Revolution organized a coup that removed the the provisional government from power. So it was not the monarchy that Lenin replaced. It was the new provisional government and the democratic reforms that Lenin replaced.

The only point I'm trying to make is that it's not correct to say that the Bolshevik Revolution replaced the authoritarian monarchy with a more democratic rule. Your point that "literally" is literally not appropriate here is right. It's very similar to what's happening now. But it's not what's literally happening now.

 

[Karl-just-Karl]

Black Lives Matter isn't real big on the nuclear family.

From their website: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."



https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Alright, I'll bite.

Why should BLM care about nuclear families when absenteeism of fathers is so prevalent and accepted in black communities?

Was Mr. Floyd married to his baby-mama? Does it matter?


This very morning I was discussing with a black friend of mine the acceptance of criminality in black culture. Now there is a sticky subject.


He has chosen his life as he saw best. No judgement. Statement of fact: Six kids, five baby-mama, never married. It was just the way things worked out.

I accept that it does not follow my upbringing. He thinks I missed out on life.


I am just left confused that since it is not a choice that I would make that it automatically means that I am guilty of something.

What am I guilty of? I might answer, "Making better choices involving personal responsibility". But that is not acceptable as it implies (if not directly points out) that I believe the other person made a mistake.

How are we ever to be a positive example if we can never claim to make good choices?

Crazy world

 

[jamil]

Not stepping on my toes, sir.
It is the process and the end goal I'm speaking to.
Taking down SA was in essence a test for taking down the book end of resistance to the illuminists, the non-illuminist faction that has been hanging on in the USA.
Even some of the same people are involved this time as were in SA.

By the way, keep one eye on Russia. When they put Putin out to pasture, buckle up.

illuminists? I have to say this was an unexpected twist from where I thought you were going with it.

 

[Bollorollo]

Wait.

Is this the "literally" usage that my kids use?

The Bolshevik Revolution was against an authoritarian monarchy and replaced it with at least a semblance (at the time) of democratic institutions.

How is the current situation "literally" a Bolshevik Revolution. (Do I even want to bring up the Mensheviks?)

Both were garbage ideologys... Just my opinion... https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-bolsheviks-and-vs-mensheviks/

 

[T.Lex]

No. Czar Nicholas abdicated the throne after the revolution months earlier. The Duma led by mostly by bourgeois capitalists formed a provisional government that began instituting some democratic reforms, free speech, etcetera. But oh no, we can't have that. So Lenin with the Bolshevik Revolution organized a coup that removed the the provisional government from power. So it was not the monarchy that Lenin replaced. It was the new provisional government and the democratic reforms that Lenin replaced.

The only point I'm trying to make is that it's not correct to say that the Bolshevik Revolution replaced the authoritarian monarchy with a more democratic rule. Your point that "literally" is literally not appropriate here is right. It's very similar to what's happening now. But it's not what's literally happening now.

Well, that's closer. (And hey, my college degree finally comes in useful!) The "Bolsheviks" started much earlier than the October (or November, depending on your calendar) Revolution. That moniker was related to which group would decide policy for the larger Socialist movement in Russia. (And this is where my memory fades....) or are we talking about the failed revolution that was earlier in the 1900s, after Russia lost the Russo-Japanese war? (I think that was 1905.)

The Kerensky government was provisional and didn't have anything near a mandate. It basically filled the vacuum after the abdication.

Either way, what we're in doesn't appear to have any relation to that. At least not to me.