(a nit to pick, Dahmer wasn't executed, a fellow prisoner beat him to death)
Good point. Thanks for clarifying.
(a nit to pick, Dahmer wasn't executed, a fellow prisoner beat him to death)
No, no. Not any Muslim. I speak specifically toward the militant Muslim, or RIFs. . The average Muslim that is arrested ought to be given their fair day before their own court system. They are not POWs, they are not war criminals, and they have their own justice system. And if they are American civilians, they should be tried in America, by American standards.
And I don't even agree with that we should waterboard/torture every single RIF that we capture. Most of them should be treated at least semi-hospitably, and be given fair living conditions. Many studies have shown that (and Hussein was one of the examples) in order to obtain information from people, it is far more advisable to be friendly and compassionate to them. Once they realize you're not a bad guy, or that you're not just going to kill them, but that they will be treated fairly... they tend to be far more willing to confide and share information with you. However, that takes time, and if the information is time-sensitive then you can't do that. Waterboarding, and similar methods of interrogation are effective, if done properly. I do not think it should be a small matter, but it should be taken under serious consideration. If the information is absolutely necessary within a very limited time-frame, and you had that method at your disposal, and you knew the one interrogated was withholding that information--or even a major portion of it--would you not consider it?
Furthermore, I was talking to a friend about this tonight, and he brought up another point. If the timing was so dire... say, for example, you were part of a squad of Marines that had just been ambushed. You were able to beat back the ambush, but you hear a wounded RIF stating that his friends would get you soon. You already had information that there would be another patrol of them in the area, but you didn't know when or where. All you had on you were your rifle, your bayonet, maybe a knife, and your ammo. Would you, in order to protect your life and the life of your men, be willing to apply physically painful and possibly permanently disabling torture to this man in order to find out what he knows?
And, as a side-note I just thought of, would you end up killing him afterwards... or would you attempt to keep him alive and turn him in to a proper POW camp afterwards?
And that's not just to Bill, I think it's a fair question to ask in general. Granted it's a bit extreme, and most here couldn't say for sure whether or not they could go through with it... but would you condone it, if you knew it could be done?
Anyway, sorry for that confusion.
What rights did the guy getting his head cut off have? Who protected him? What rights do you think you would have with these animals? This Khalid should be taken out and shot with no trial like they would do to you if it is known without a doubt he is guilty. When individuals have information that can save the lives of many innocent people I have no problem doing whatever is necessaryto get them to talk.
The bleeding hearts would do whatever it took if it was their family, their children who would die if this animal does not tell what he knows. If you feel so sorry for the bad guy put your carry gun in a drawer at home so you don't become judge and jury and executioner if some insane person holds you up; you can't have it both ways. This type of nutty thinking is why this country is so screwed up.
Bill of Rights said:Again, as I said, I'm glad the decision does not rest on my shoulders. What would I do? I don't know. From where I sit right now, probably put the SOB on point and let him be the first to die.
KDUBCR250 said:I voted no because we are suppost to be the " good guys " and we all know the good guys never do that kind of **** !
Eye for eye policy paved the way for the WWI, WWII, and numerous genocides, which resulted in 100's of millions of deaths just during the past 100 years. Isn't it about time we need to explore other alternative policies? Hopefully one that is not spear headed by the violence.
This 'us' vs 'them' mentality will lead us to the path of destruction
Do you not see that the world is getting worse everyday?
You said, "However much we might wish for a "better way" has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not such a way exists.".
So, do we simply carry on the policy that is not working?
The change must begin somewhere! There has to be the way to bring about peace
to this world without the blood shed.
In my opnion, appealing to emotion is by far the better solution than using tanks and missiles to coerce the submission.
BTW, when I say 'we', it is refering to the humanity in general.
I voted no because we are suppost to be the " good guys " and we all know the good guys never do that kind of **** !
So, do we simply carry on the policy that is not working?
The change must begin somewhere! There has to be the way to bring about peace
to this world without the blood shed.
The US dominance in the military has not been able to eradicate all the violances in the world. It is just matter of time before other nations will catch up with US militarily. Russia and China is already not too far behind.
EU as a group is already up to par with the US in military strength.
There are other nations that are equipped with the nuclear weapons, and some of the rogue nations are inspired to acquire the technology.
You are right when you say that so far the threat of retaliation has stopped other nations from initiating the nuclear attack, however, I must tell you the time is ripe for the nuclear conflicts as the world is engulfed in the numerous regional conflicts, not to mention the current diabolical world wide economic meltdown.
You are under an impression that the Arabs are the culprits for the current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have different theory for the current military conflicts. The main culprit is the greed!
The conflict is about the resources, mainly that of oil. Israel and Arabs are nothing but tools used in the grand scheme of things, acquiring strategic advantage in the Middle East - US backing Israel with Saudis in its pocket and Russians and French siding with Iran. The importance of oil in the world economy will make certain that there will never be peace in the Middle East region unless the world changes, unless the humanity changes.
My firearms are used for target practice as sports.
Would I use my firearm for survival? Probably!
Would I use it for revenge? Probably not!
I do try to be a peaceful person everyday.
It is not an easy task, but I do try.
All I am saying is that the world will be much better place if we all try to be peaceful.
Once you convince the barbarians to stop assaulting the gates I'll stop manning the keyboards--and not before.
Fixed it for you
Seriously man. Stop living in fear.
Would I use my firearm for survival? Probably!