I would like to see the paper where that is policy and not a local leo training tool.
Even if it is a leo training tool that is scary enough.
I would like to see the paper where that is policy and not a local leo training tool.
Do you not see that the world is getting worse everyday?
You said, "However much we might wish for a "better way" has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not such a way exists.".
So, do we simply carry on the policy that is not working?
The change must begin somewhere! There has to be the way to bring about peace
to this world without the blood shed.
In my opnion, appealing to emotion is by far the better solution than using tanks and missiles to coerce the submission.
BTW, when I say 'we', it is refering to the humanity in general.
Patrick Henry (23 March 1775) said:Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
I do not know if I have been wire tapped, I may have been. The government doesn't have to tell me. Or a judge. Or anyone else for that matter.
I am considered a terroist due to my constant references to the constitution.
As a terrorist I can be waterboarded. (the reason for this thread)
As a terrorist I can have my phone calls taped without a warrant.
I can go on. If we lose these rights together we lose them as individuals.
Well..... after reading all your recent responses.... I think I've got my answer. Thanks!!!
That's compelling, except it's not true, and never has been.
Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country."
-- George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
I know I know that in the original President Washington when he says [Prisoner] he is refering to Canadians and Indians. I believe he is trying not to make more enemies on the home front but what does the quote mean if you replace Canadians and Indians with Iraq and Iraqis?
Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country."
-- George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
I know I know that in the original President Washington when he says [Prisoner] he is refering to Canadians and Indians. I believe he is trying not to make more enemies on the home front but what does the quote mean if you replace Canadians and Indians with Iraq and Iraqis?
It appears that the approach is that "Washington said, therefore...." Therefore nothing. I bow to no one in my respect for the Founding Fathers, but they were human, they were fallible (recognizing, these, leads to increased respect rather than the reverse) and their statements and claims are not someone immune from critical appraisal ("critical" in the sense of "close scrutiny" rather than necessarily "disapproval"), especially since they were men who had remarkably deep and subtle views of the world which cannot, generally be encompassed in a short quote.
Does anyone really believe that useful intel can be gained by any kind of torture whether the people approve of it or not? Especially when we're talking about insane people?
Even if it is a leo training tool that is scary enough.
Does anyone really believe that useful intel can be gained by any kind of torture whether the people approve of it or not? Especially when we're talking about insane people?
All men are fallible...I agree with that. The quote posted has been bastardized I agree but I still think it has meaning. Still think it is better to tell the truth and die for it than lie and live.
The attacks that they carried out on 9-11-01 lasted a day, the rights that we lost will last generations.