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    Agent 007

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    yep, everybody has their opinions, and I know theres surely a lot of LEO's on here but..... for the most part I think it takes a certain kind of fellow to want to be a cop......

    Yeah....it does.

    When the Lord was creating police officers, he was into his sixth day of overtime when an angel appeared and said, "You're doing a lot of fiddling around on this one."

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    e Lord said, "Have you read the specs on this order? A police officer has to be able to run five miles through alleys in the dark, scale walls, enter homes the health inspector wouldn't touch, and not wrinkle his uniform. He must be able to sit in an unmarked car all day on a stakeout, cover a murder scene that night, canvass the neighbourhood for witnesses, and testify in court the next day. He has to be in top physical condition at all times, running on black coffee and half-eaten meals. And he has to have six pairs of hands."

    The angel shook her head slowly and said, "Six pairs of hands... no way."

    "It's not the hands that are causing me problems," said the Lord. "It's the three pairs of eyes an officer has to have."

    "That's on the standard model?" asked the angel.

    The Lord nodded. "One pair that sees through a bulge in a pocket before he asks, 'May I see what's in there, sir?' (when he already knows) Another pair here, in the side of his head, for his partner's safety. And another pair here in front that can look reassuringly at a bleeding victim and say, 'You'll be all right ma'am,' when he knows it isn't so."

    "Lord," said the angel, touching His sleeve, "rest and work on this tomorrow."

    "I can't," said the Lord. "I already have a model that can talk a 250-pound drunk into a patrol car without incident, and feed a family of five on a civil service paycheck."

    The angel circled the model of the police officer very slowly. "Can it think?" she asked.

    "You bet," said the Lord. "It can tell you the elements of a hundred crimes; detain, investigate, search, and arrest a gang member on the street in less time that it takes five learned judges to debate the legality of the stop... and still, it keeps its sense of humour."

    "This officer also has phenomenal personal control. He can deal with crime scenes painted in hell, coax a confession from a child abuser, comfort a murder victim's family, and then read in the daily paper how law enforcement isn't sensitive to the rights of criminal suspects."

    Finally, the angel bent over and ran her finger across the cheek of the police officer. "There's a leak," she pronounced. "I told You that You were trying to put too much into this model."

    "That's not a leak," said the Lord. "It's a tear."

    "What's the tear for?" asked the angel.

    "It's for bottled-up emotions, for fallen comrades, for commitment to the job, for justice."

    "You're a genius, Lord," said the angel.

    The Lord looked sombre. "I didn't put it there," He said.

    ~Author Unknown

    Bashing an entire group of people based on a negative experience shows a lack of maturity and a narrow mind. Hopefully this prejudice doesn't extend to other groups, but I'd bet a dollar to a donut that the same people who bash LEOs have strong opinions about other groups of people, if you know what I mean. Intellectual laziness is very comfortable. Thinking takes effort.

    And yes....I said donut. :):
     

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    IC 9-19-14 and 9-21-1 expound on the use of light,sirens, turn signals, etc...basically, if you're NOT responding to an emergency OR in immediate pursuit of actual/suspected violation of law, you have to drive like everyone else.
    Believe me, anytime WE didn't follow traffic regulations (on OR off duty)and our Chief got a call about it, we had our backsides reamed!!

    Oh lol it was hiding in traffic regulation haha I was looking at motor vehicle equipment.
    Yes but there are some circumstances where you do not want to be lit up like a Christmas tree and wailing a siren - while being involved in a real incident :twocents: I believe you are referring to the jokers who want to "play around".
     
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    Yeah....it does.

    When the Lord was creating police officers, he was into his sixth day of overtime when an angel appeared and said, "You're doing a lot of fiddling around on this one."

    And th
    e Lord said, "Have you read the specs on this order? A police officer has to be able to run five miles through alleys in the dark, scale walls, enter homes the health inspector wouldn't touch, and not wrinkle his uniform. He must be able to sit in an unmarked car all day on a stakeout, cover a murder scene that night, canvass the neighbourhood for witnesses, and testify in court the next day. He has to be in top physical condition at all times, running on black coffee and half-eaten meals. And he has to have six pairs of hands."

    The angel shook her head slowly and said, "Six pairs of hands... no way."

    "It's not the hands that are causing me problems," said the Lord. "It's the three pairs of eyes an officer has to have."

    "That's on the standard model?" asked the angel.

    The Lord nodded. "One pair that sees through a bulge in a pocket before he asks, 'May I see what's in there, sir?' (when he already knows) Another pair here, in the side of his head, for his partner's safety. And another pair here in front that can look reassuringly at a bleeding victim and say, 'You'll be all right ma'am,' when he knows it isn't so."

    "Lord," said the angel, touching His sleeve, "rest and work on this tomorrow."

    "I can't," said the Lord. "I already have a model that can talk a 250-pound drunk into a patrol car without incident, and feed a family of five on a civil service paycheck."

    The angel circled the model of the police officer very slowly. "Can it think?" she asked.

    "You bet," said the Lord. "It can tell you the elements of a hundred crimes; detain, investigate, search, and arrest a gang member on the street in less time that it takes five learned judges to debate the legality of the stop... and still, it keeps its sense of humour."

    "This officer also has phenomenal personal control. He can deal with crime scenes painted in hell, coax a confession from a child abuser, comfort a murder victim's family, and then read in the daily paper how law enforcement isn't sensitive to the rights of criminal suspects."

    Finally, the angel bent over and ran her finger across the cheek of the police officer. "There's a leak," she pronounced. "I told You that You were trying to put too much into this model."

    "That's not a leak," said the Lord. "It's a tear."

    "What's the tear for?" asked the angel.

    "It's for bottled-up emotions, for fallen comrades, for commitment to the job, for justice."

    "You're a genius, Lord," said the angel.

    The Lord looked sombre. "I didn't put it there," He said.

    ~Author Unknown

    Bashing an entire group of people based on a negative experience shows a lack of maturity and a narrow mind. Hopefully this prejudice doesn't extend to other groups, but I'd bet a dollar to a donut that the same people who bash LEOs have strong opinions about other groups of people, if you know what I mean. Intellectual laziness is very comfortable. Thinking takes effort.

    And yes....I said donut. :):

    Yes, isn't the TV/Movie model of a police officer so grand?

    Call me immature, prejudice, and narrow minded if you must, that is your opinion of me based on a internet forum, and that's fine, but the fact of the matter doesn't change. I have had repeated contact with officers around NWI and Purdue, and I have yet to have a GOOD encounter. I'm not defining a good encounter one where I didn't get a ticket, or something like that, I'm defining it as a officer respecting me, giving me the benefit of the doubt, and treating me as a decent human being. I really don't appreciate being talked down to, lied to, and ignored when I'm trying to converse with said officer. When I find that the majority of the officers on the beat are like that, well then maybe my opinion will change.
     

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    Wow I'm glad this just was on the front page of digg.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ZLV_sB3Rc]YouTube - Cop Kicks Guy's Head While On the Ground! w/audio from reporter[/ame]

    Not one, but TWO cops basically attack the criminal after he gave up and submitted. Now I'm not condoning running from the police, but after a suspect/criminal has given up, just cuff him and go.
     

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    Wow I'm glad this just was on the front page of digg.

    YouTube - Cop Kicks Guy's Head While On the Ground! w/audio from reporter

    Not one, but TWO cops basically attack the criminal after he gave up and submitted. Now I'm not condoning running from the police, but after a suspect/criminal has given up, just cuff him and go.

    I stay out of these discussions usually, but if I understand this right, the guy led cops on a high-speed chase. Any time that happens, that excrement is taking others' (cops', civilians', kids') lives into his own irresponsible hands. If that's the case, and I was one of the cops, I'd probably have done at least that much. Would that be legal? Probably not, but sorry, that's just reality.
     

    aclark

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    I'm glad you as a cop would have no respect for the law that you are supposed to be trying to uphold. Like I said, I don't condone what the chasee (?) may have been doing, but I certainly would hate to see a cop in my community acting in a manner like that. It is their job to uphold the law, and to be an example to people in the community, if anything they should be held to a higher standard because of the position they have chosen on their own accord, but as time has shown us, most [read, not all] believe they are above the law.
     

    Denny347

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    Wow I'm glad this just was on the front page of digg.

    YouTube - Cop Kicks Guy's Head While On the Ground! w/audio from reporter

    Not one, but TWO cops basically attack the criminal after he gave up and submitted. Now I'm not condoning running from the police, but after a suspect/criminal has given up, just cuff him and go.
    You will not see many of us publicly judge another officer's actions. We will leave that to the rest of the public. You do not need our help.
     

    aclark

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    AClark, you must have a number of run-ins with the police to have such a biased attitude. I have had some bad experiences with cops but most are good people doing a job.....


    Just saw your post and want to quickly address it.
    -A number of run ins, no not really. I have had a few, but as I said before, I have seen inappropriate behavior in social settings (regarding being an officer), and its the nature of my job (bartender) to have contact with police on a fairly regular basis.

    And I don't disagree that many are probably decent people, I don't know what it is about a uniform, a badge, and a gun that turn people like this. I would venture to say that those three factors are probably the biggest influences as to why most cops I meet conduct themselves this way. Take that away and then I'm sure they would be quite humbled and humane.
    -To note, I don't mean take them away, as in an off duty cop, I mean put them in another career/job, and they wouldn't act like they do.
     

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    I'm glad you as a cop would have no respect for the law that you are supposed to be trying to uphold. Like I said, I don't condone what the chasee (?) may have been doing, but I certainly would hate to see a cop in my community acting in a manner like that. It is their job to uphold the law, and to be an example to people in the community, if anything they should be held to a higher standard because of the position they have chosen on their own accord, but as time has shown us, most [read, not all] believe they are above the law.

    Well, that's quite a stretch to say I'd have no respect for the law. That's ludicrous. I'm just saying that after a guy puts so many lives at risk, I'd have a hard time not being rough with him. Cops are just people. Held to a higher standard, yes. But people who react with emotions to situations, just like you and I.

    I think it's pretty strange to bring a video of a guy committing a criminal act, then being mistreated, into a discussion about how you were treated in your own situation. It has no relevance, IMO. It seems like you're saying, "See, this is what I'm talking about." Perhaps that's not what you're saying, but the two situations are as different as night and day.
     

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    I'm certainly not an "expert" on anyone's behavior other than my own .

    On occasion I've worked closely with some LEO's of various agencies and have met for the most part good "cops" . I've known some UC folks that were as shady as any criminal you'd ever heard of , probably due to their jobs , IDK .

    On the other hand , 95 / 100 LEO's I've known were good people , who in their off duty hours , acted just like any other "average joe" .

    I've had more "breaks" from LEO's than I've ever rightfully deserved , because I choose to remember those incidents factually , for what they really were .

    I think some folks have caught a LEO at the wrong time , met one having a bad day , or simply brought it on themselves and had a bad experience .

    That's the one experience they will relive for the rest of their lives , choosing not to let it go . Unfortunately nobody remembers the good you do .
     

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    aclark, just an observation , you might want to rethink you career, i have been in several bars in my life and i have never seen any of what you describe.
     

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    You will not see many of us publicly judge another officer's actions. We will leave that to the rest of the public. You do not need our help.

    I'll tell you what - we'll give you a pass for not figuratively kicking bad cops if you promise not to literally kick the people you arrest, or tolerate it from other officers when you encounter them doing it.
     

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    I have had repeated contact with officers around NWI and Purdue, and I have yet to have a GOOD encounter.

    Did you ever stop and think that maybe the problem is you? Several encounters? Really? I think that kinda says it all. I'm sure that they are just targeting you for no reason, though. :rolleyes:

    When you posted the completely unrelated video of the pursuit, you gave me all the information I need to know about what your agenda is here. Try not to be so obvious next time. Grow up.
     

    DanO

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    AClark: I have been a LEO for 19 years, both as a patrol officer and as a Federal Agent. I am sorry you feel the way you do about "most" of us LEOs; sorry for you.

    I do this job because I get to serve my country and community. My natual inclination is to look out for others. The job suits me and I am good at it. I look back on the people I have been able to help; the drug dealers I have taken out of communities, the accident victims where I was the first responder, the people I pulled out of a bombing, the domestic calls where I prevented injuries, the murder solved. Most of these people stopped to thank me, some did not. But that is OK, since the job is the reward. To know you have been useful and have served others. Most of us LEOs feel this way. And some day, if you find yourself in need of an LEOs help, he or she will respond as quickly as they can and do their best to help you, regardless of what you think of them.

    Do bad cops exist? Sure, just like crooked bartenders or incompetent doctors. But your posts, and the attitude that shows through, tells me all I need to know about you. Stop drinking the hate-o-rade and honestly ask yourself if your anti-LEO attitude is due to your actions and choices.
     

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    Shooter you and I know that aclark was not starting a bash all cops thread. He was just trying to relay/rant about an experience that happened recently in his personnel experience.
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    I disagree. The tone of his post, and his final paragraph, makes clear that he did, in fact, want to start a "bash all cops" thread. Frankly, I think he's lying. I've known a few bartenders in my time, and wouldn't trust a one of them not to steal their grandmother's false teeth. I'm surely not going to take the word of one in this case.
     

    Annie Oakley

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    Well, I have now gone full circle on this and have to say that some of these posts by the OP and others just make me sick. How about sometime when someone at your house needs help you call a bartender? Certainly they would be more careful to just drive the speed limit because, after all, it isn't a REAL emergency. Most of you who want to pick at LEO's have never been inside a patrol call (except for maybe the back seat with hands in an uncomfortable position) and you have no idea how officers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Instead of second guessing and looking for all those bad examples take some time to think about the hundreds of thousands of officers who do their job with pride, respect and decency. You think they have an attitude? Try dealing with the **** heels they deal with 90% of the time and then whine to me about them.
     
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    I disagree. The tone of his post, and his final paragraph, makes clear that he did, in fact, want to start a "bash all cops" thread. Frankly, I think he's lying. I've known a few bartenders in my time, and wouldn't trust a one of them not to steal their grandmother's false teeth. I'm surely not going to take the word of one in this case.

    I shoot with a former bartender, and let me assure you that he is a real trouble maker. If you ever met him in person you'd know what a jerk he is! His grandmother hasn't had teeth for years.
     
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