Palestinians too
-
Be sure to read this post! Beware of scammers. https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/
The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!
- Thread starter PaulF
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana
Member Benefits:
Fewer Ads! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
- Status
How many Americans have the IRA and the ANC killed? That is the noteworthy difference. Providing a forum for mediation, isn't the same as negotiating for personal interests, and the United States has a LONG history of the former.
If you say it's in our best interests, sure I'll buy that. But I really don't think other than global security the things are all that related. I think this administration planned this poorly. I don't want any member of the Taliban setting foot on US soil. Especially a few days before the 9/11 anniversary. How absolutely dumb does that look. Why not send Pompeo to Afghanistan, and have a sitdown in Kabul?
But, in the back of my mind, I can't help but wonder if there ever really was a meeting or if the president let his twitter fingers get the best of him, and everyone at the state department was like "
not again."If you say it's in our best interests, sure I'll buy that. But I really don't think other than global security the things are all that related. I think this administration planned this poorly. I don't want any member of the Taliban setting foot on US soil. Especially a few days before the 9/11 anniversary. How absolutely dumb does that look. Why not send Pompeo to Afghanistan, and have a sitdown in Kabul?
But, in the back of my mind, I can't help but wonder if there ever really was a meeting or if the president let his twitter fingers get the best of him, and everyone at the state department was like "
I guess it got people to stop talking about Alabama.
I've gotta agree that I was'nt to hip when I heard about the Taliban coming here either.If you say it's in our best interests, sure I'll buy that. But I really don't think other than global security the things are all that related. I think this administration planned this poorly. I don't want any member of the Taliban setting foot on US soil. Especially a few days before the 9/11 anniversary. How absolutely dumb does that look. Why not send Pompeo to Afghanistan, and have a sitdown in Kabul?
But, in the back of my mind, I can't help but wonder if there ever really was a meeting or if the president let his twitter fingers get the best of him, and everyone at the state department was like "
As far as the meeting being abruptly cancelled though, if indeed there was one, I think Trump had a legit reason for doing so given the recent refusal by the Taliban to curb the bombings.
I believe he stated that he has doubts the Taliban has the capacity to broker a deal in good faith at this time.
Maybe if they actually did come, Trump was going to throw them in Gitmo in honor of the 911 anniversary.
He keeps tweeting this figure out, and no one knows where it's coming from.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171022839962644480
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171022839962644480
Trump said:
I tire of criticizing Trump for bad form, and that's all the Taliban negotiation thing is: a decent idea that he twisted into a political talking point.
In the modern era, you don't want to be known for negotiating with terrorists, because the conventional wisdom is that it begets more terrorism. But, you kinda need to negotiate with terrorists to get them to stop. So, it is done discretely.
I very much doubt there's any workable middle ground to negotiate towards with the Taliban. Shutting down private negotiations until they can meet a modicum of stability and control with their own people is completely reasonable. But no one needs to know about it except them and us.
And, overall, this really is just a distraction from whatever else he's doing.
In the modern era, you don't want to be known for negotiating with terrorists, because the conventional wisdom is that it begets more terrorism. But, you kinda need to negotiate with terrorists to get them to stop. So, it is done discretely.
I very much doubt there's any workable middle ground to negotiate towards with the Taliban. Shutting down private negotiations until they can meet a modicum of stability and control with their own people is completely reasonable. But no one needs to know about it except them and us.
And, overall, this really is just a distraction from whatever else he's doing.
https://theweek.com/articles/862985/does-america-have-moral-imperative-stay-afghanistan-forever
Does America have a moral imperative to stay in Afghanistan forever?
Surprisingly sensible viewpoint on the pages of a very left wing source. Blind squirrel
The peeps that think we need to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, so that their women (inside the green lines) won't have to put on the housecoat again or some other doomed to fail social engineering feel-good reason, will not approve
Edit: 2 1/2 months to shatter the Taliban and al-Qaeda, 17.8 years (and counting) to fail to convince/make religious luddites toe the line to form a western-styled society
Does America have a moral imperative to stay in Afghanistan forever?
Surprisingly sensible viewpoint on the pages of a very left wing source. Blind squirrel
The peeps that think we need to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, so that their women (inside the green lines) won't have to put on the housecoat again or some other doomed to fail social engineering feel-good reason, will not approve
Edit: 2 1/2 months to shatter the Taliban and al-Qaeda, 17.8 years (and counting) to fail to convince/make religious luddites toe the line to form a western-styled society
Last edited:
I saw that coming when he first sign on to the Trump train. He's a warhawk, and I can't possibly think that it sat too well with him the way the Trump administration is coddling Russia, North Korea and his overtures to the Taliban. And if it's true that the Trump administration is blocking arms from going to the Ukraine, the meeting with the Taliban was probably the final straw.
Another well informed post. The religious leaders who have thoroughly entrenched themselves in the culture will never adopt Western Ideology. It will always be some form of Islam unless there is a forcible invasion by Westerners that destroys and outlaws all aspects of Islamic life for at least 60 years. A long enough time for all of the old guard to die off. We'll never sign up for that though, as we see all ideologies as being equally good, and don't have the stomach to be unyielding tyrants.
Going full Godwin... When we liberated Berlin we didn't say, "you know what, NAZI-ism is just as good as anything else," and let them stay in power. When they tore down "the wall" they didn't say, "let's let the commies stay in the government." But Islam though...it's just a religion of peace and we're super tolerant of all religions, because they're all equally good.
The aftermath of The Two was a singular event, and we had a very free hand. IMO we failed to learn from Korea, the French experience in Algeria and Vietnam, and the Russian experience in Afghanistan. Total war works provided your objectives can be obtained by wholesale destruction as what should have been our goals vis a vis al-Qaeda and the Taliban. When you start trying to hold territory and effect political change without utterly bringing the people to their knees and killing virtually all the troublemakers (that don't get the Nuremberg treatment) is where it goes off the rails. It's a different world, now. Witness that few people held for involvement in 9/11 have been tried. If they were tried in an international court they would be just as likely freed as convicted. During and after The Two, everybody agreed who the bad guys were
- Status
Site Supporter
Staff online
-
GodFearinGunTotinSuper Moderator
Members online
- beefravi
- mikek
- Creedmoor
- wcd
- tca1352
- joe138
- bklep
- printcraft
- triggerhappy00
- Eorrick
- bwframe
- CodeBlue
- Brandon
- mkgr22
- COOPADUP
- Winamac
- Ark
- BMWRich
- Emerson Dambiggins
- crookcountygo
- Quiet Observer
- X3r0h0uR
- Snapdragon
- Destro
- BackFromDC
- Griz375
- JDHOOSIER73
- Willie
- ChrisK
- 7920drew
- Indye41
- ldaguns
- gds
- Gravyman
- GodFearinGunTotin
- Oppman24
- Nacho Man
- Midwestjimbo
- DragonGunner
- Comiskeybum
- hotcupofbro
- rabbit hunter mab
- 1nderbeard
- DoggyDaddy
- KRN123060
- gottabeoutdoors
- indyblue
- Wabatuckian
- Super Bee
- SolidDragon74