The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[KMaC]

On the "I though you were supposed to be draining the swamp, Mr. President" news:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...okesman-falsely-denied-expensive-table-bought

Maybe they have a really big lounge. So let's give them a pass. However, a $31K dining set??? Double U Tee Eff. Anyone missing the irony that the "Housing of Urban Development" is doing this? Hell, why aren't they using bean bag chairs and a card table. That what they do in the hood. lol

Shame on you, Ben Carson.

I am infuriated when government officials think they deserve office decor appropriate for a palace. There is a disconnect that they are doing the same thing that we derided Saddam for doing. I don't know if they bring this attitude with them to an appointed position or if this infects them once they are among the elite. Why is government service considered a shopping spree?

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'd rather they spend it on dinnerware than building more ghettos

Since it's not their money, I'd rather they do neither. I certainly don't shine to paying for a $31K table. I would bet that the table going into an office is more than 30X what most of have at home. We were told that this administration is supposed to be draining the swamp, and when govt officials are buying luxury items that will be used sparingly, that's doesn't seem to coincide with that promise. Hell, I don't even know what a $30K table looks like, but I tell you what, pay me $10K, and I'll cut down a tree with butter knife and teach myself to make a table, just as good, using a hatchet, a nail file, and a hawk bill.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I am infuriated when government officials think they deserve office decor appropriate for a palace. There is a disconnect that they are doing the same thing that we derided Saddam for doing. I don't know if they bring this attitude with them to an appointed position or if this infects them once they are among the elite. Why is government service considered a shopping spree?

They've been doing this well before now, but yeah it's infuriating.

 

[Trigger Time]

Since it's not their money, I'd rather they do neither. I certainly don't shine to paying for a $31K table. I would bet that the table going into an office is more than 30X what most of have at home. We were told that this administration is supposed to be draining the swamp, and when govt officials are buying luxury items that will be used sparingly, that's doesn't seem to coincide with that promise. Hell, I don't even know what a $30K table looks like, but I tell you what, pay me $10K, and I'll cut down a tree with butter knife and teach myself to make a table, just as good, using a hatchet, a nail file, and a hawk bill.

So you're pro ghetto?
We all know that the swamp will always be the swamp. Because the government is too big to understand let alone fix. The way government works that table could have been in the works for several years and cost more to STOP than just accept.
Not saying that's fact, I'm just saying that's how stupid our government is.

 

[actaeon277]

Well, they buy expensive furniture because for some reason people have the idea that they are the "leaders" of the city/state/nation.


NO THEY ARE NOT.

They are people hired to do a job.
That is all.

They are not supposed to be the boss.
They are supposed to be a servant.


The President of the United States (whoever he is) is NOT the leader of the "free world". He is not even the leader of the US.
He is just the leader of the executive party of the federal government.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm checking in on the status of Trump voters. The other day the president talked about confiscating guns WITHOUT due process. I'm going to guess that people are either too embarrassed to bring this up, or they agree with the president. Heavens knows that if the last guy has said this, INGO, and the rest collective conservative world would be screaming bloody murder. Why isn't this being talked about more?

Oh, and let's not forget Jared Kushner. This guy meets with two companies (Citigroup and Apollo) at the White House to "talk about infrastructure," and next thing you know, a few days later the companies he ran gets hundreds of millions in loans? Sorry Jared, I'm not that stupid. I know a scam when I see it. Who is going to try and convince me, that it's a coincidence that the companies that weren't giving loans to Kushner's businesses before he was in the WH, had a change of heart after he's in the WH and had a meeting with them? Conflict or interest? Ethics? What are those?

I'm not concerned though. It's not like I didn't expect this stuff.... but did you?

 

[jamil]

Since it's not their money, I'd rather they do neither. I certainly don't shine to paying for a $31K table. I would bet that the table going into an office is more than 30X what most of have at home. We were told that this administration is supposed to be draining the swamp, and when govt officials are buying luxury items that will be used sparingly, that's doesn't seem to coincide with that promise. Hell, I don't even know what a $30K table looks like, but I tell you what, pay me $10K, and I'll cut down a tree with butter knife and teach myself to make a table, just as good, using a hatchet, a nail file, and a hawk bill.

Well. They need the table by next Tuesday, so...

Seriously though, I became aware of Ben Carson a long time before he embarrassed Obama at the prayer breakfast. I read his book, Think Big, and loosely followed his career since. He was admirable. A good man. Since running for President, his behavior has been disappointing. I’d like to se him rediscover the person he was before fame.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well. They need the table by next Tuesday, so...

Seriously though, I became aware of Ben Carson a long time before he embarrassed Obama at the prayer breakfast. I read his book, Think Big, and loosely followed his career since. He was admirable. A good man. Since running for President, his behavior has been disappointing. I’d like to se him rediscover the person he was before fame.

What do you mean "rediscover?" Ben Carson is 66 years old. Short a traumatic or significantly life-changing event, older men tend to be set in their ways. I see no reason to believe he has been anything other than what we have been presented... the only difference now, is that he's accountable and his actions in full view.

 

[jamil]

What do you mean "rediscover?" Ben Carson is 66 years old. Short a traumatic or significantly life-changing event, older men tend to be set in their ways. I see no reason to believe he has been anything other than what we have been presented... the only difference now, is that he's accountable and his actions in full view.

Maybe we have a different view of human nature. People have corruptable natures. Given the right conditions, circumstances, experience, any of us could do the deeds of Hitler, the scale of which is only limited by competence. You can try to hone your character but flaws can surface given the right opportunities. If you think reaching an age, being set in your good ways keeps you from corruption, you’re more prone to it than one who constantly fears being corrupted. Maybe that’s the flaw in Carson that circumstances, like his fame, exploited. A good strategy to avoid corruption is understaing that you’re corruptable and being afraid of it. I’m sure Carson doesn’t believe he’s corrupted. People like to believe they’re good.

 

[jbombelli]

I'm checking in on the status of Trump voters. The other day the president talked about confiscating guns WITHOUT due process. I'm going to guess that people are either too embarrassed to bring this up, or they agree with the president. Heavens knows that if the last guy has said this, INGO, and the rest collective conservative world would be screaming bloody murder. Why isn't this being talked about more?

Oh, and let's not forget Jared Kushner. This guy meets with two companies (Citigroup and Apollo) at the White House to "talk about infrastructure," and next thing you know, a few days later the companies he ran gets hundreds of millions in loans? Sorry Jared, I'm not that stupid. I know a scam when I see it. Who is going to try and convince me, that it's a coincidence that the companies that weren't giving loans to Kushner's businesses before he was in the WH, had a change of heart after he's in the WH and had a meeting with them? Conflict or interest? Ethics? What are those?

I'm not concerned though. It's not like I didn't expect this stuff.... but did you?

I didn't see where Trump said that. But to be honest I haven't been paying attention to him. He bores me. Now, if he did say that, I have two words... Bring it.

Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens.

 

[KLB]

I didn't see where Trump said that. But to be honest I haven't been paying attention to him. He bores me. Now, if he did say that, I have two words... Bring it.

Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens.

He did
Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second' | TheHill

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.


“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

 

[jamil]

He did
Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second' | TheHill

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[Woobie]

It's one thing to be a Washington outsider. But it's another to be completely ignorant or dismissive of the constitution. Any person who thinks due process is just in the way, and should be set aside, has no business being dog catcher, let alone president. I have the feeling that the attitude is very pervasive in Washington and the various state houses.

As to Carson, I'm not too ready to drop the hammer on him. He was given the reigns of one of the most corrupt organizations in government. And sometimes human nature falters. Interior decorating is several rings below his pay grade, as well. By the time he found out about it, possibly on the news, there might have been a contract already signed. If it is a custom order. Anyway, he has a lot more strikes before I turn on him.

I was never really for Trump, but I haven't been against him. He's done a couple of good things, but he's worn out the mileage on those. He needs to start cutting the Kushner types out, and bring his attitude toward the constitution in check. I'm about over him.

 

[Woobie]

If the White House and State Department can serve diplomatic purposes by having nice stuff, then I'll be at least somewhat more willing to pay for that. The rest of the agencies can shop at Big Lots for their stuff.

 

[jamil]

If the White House and State Department can serve diplomatic purposes by having nice stuff, then I'll be at least somewhat more willing to pay for that. The rest of the agencies can shop at Big Lots for their stuff.

Aagreed. Decore is part of statesmanship. Justify the need.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I can't remember if it's been mentioned in this thread or not but we're aware that Indiana is already a step ahead of Trump on this matter, right?

The Laird Law allows this and according to Guy Relford: "And what a lot of people don't realize is that the statute even authorizes guns to be seized from a person who is not presently dangerous at all, but may become dangerous "in the future," which I have argued to be unconstitutionally vague and overly-broad."

 

[bwframe]

Mike Huckabee Resigns From CMA Foundation Board Following Outcry in Nashville

 

[ghitch75]

little less bias report....

Mike Huckabee resigns from country music board, citing political and religious intolerance | Fox News

 

[Kutnupe14]

little less bias report....

Mike Huckabee resigns from country music board, citing political and religious intolerance | Fox News

The liberal bastion call the CMA. lol

 

[Woobie]

The liberal bastion call the CMA. lol

Nashville is Los Angeles with bigger hats. It's one of the most liberal cities in the south.