SCOTUS Strikes Down ObamaCare Individual Mandate

[jamil]

A quick note on the car insurance argument. In Indiana, you do NOT have to have car insurance provided that you can prove financial responsibility.

I'm off to bed.

Yeah, me too.

 

[buckstopshere]

Of course they are happy. The government owes them happiness, after all, and even gets to tell them what is happiness.

Yep. They're all thrilled in Greece right now. It's a party!!

 

[PKendall317]

Yep. They're all thrilled in Greece right now. It's a party!!

God I'm so pissed off at Greece. I'm reasonably certain that their inability to fix their own damn problems are at least part of the reason the damn scrap prices are dropping, which affects me, my Dad, and the people I work with.

 

[buckstopshere]

God I'm so pissed off at Greece. I'm reasonably certain that their inability to fix their own damn problems are at least part of the reason the damn scrap prices are dropping, which affects me, my Dad, and the people I work with.

The core of all their problems stems from allowing their government to run their lives.

 

[hooky]

The core of all their problems stems from allowing their government to run their lives.

It'll be different here though.

 

[.45 Dave]

The majority of the people in Congress are millionaires, or at the very least make way more money than the guy who works a 9 to 5 job everyday, so some millionaires/billionaires, at least the ones that are in Congress, are in a position where they have the ability to rig the system. Factor in Wall Street, and all the various lobbyists who work for corporate interests and the interests of Wall Street, and you could argue that "they" rig the system, or at least are in a position to do so.

This is true. If they weren't millionaires when the arrived they are soon after.

The main differences between the Democrats and Republicans - at least at the highest levels--is that the vast majority of Democrats made their money as lawyers. The vast amount of Republicans were businessmen and businesswomen.
So you have a polar difference on the way they see the world which translates to the different way the parties govern. Lawyers do not really produce anything--hot air maybe, incomprehensible legal briefs perhaps, but they really do not produce any goods or products. Business people do. This is why, in an economy like ours, it would be better to have business people in charge. They at least understand something about how economics work.

 

[PKendall317]

The core of all their problems stems from allowing their government to run their lives.

Does anyone here actually know how the Greek government works? Based on my very unscientific observations, it seems to be a sort of a free for all where the government asks other governments to bail them out of their problems. The last class I took on Greece was one that involved ancient mythology, you'd think the guys who invented democracy would've perfected it by now.

 

[Tsigos]

The difference between the state requiring car insurance and the federal government requiring you buy health insurance is that Congress cannot pass laws that are not under one of its enumerated powers in the Constitution. The states have police power which the federal government does not; however, after today's decision, the Court may have created one implicitly.

So if the state passed Obamacare, you're cool with it?

 

[PKendall317]

This is true. If they weren't millionaires when the arrived they are soon after.

The main differences between the Democrats and Republicans - at least at the highest levels--is that the vast majority of Democrats made their money as lawyers. The vast amount of Republicans were businessmen and businesswomen.
So you have a polar difference on the way they see the world which translates to the different way the parties govern. Lawyers do not really produce anything--hot air maybe, incomprehensible legal briefs perhaps, but they really do not produce any goods or products. Business people do. This is why, in an economy like ours, it would be better to have business people in charge. They at least understand something about how economics work.

While I agree that businessmen have a better understanding on how economics work, I don't think I'd want the country to be exclusively run by businessmen. My main concern there is politicians running the country like a business instead of a country.

 

[Tsigos]

Only if you drive. You're not required to buy car insurance based on the sole fact that you reside in the state. Apples and Oranges.

I don't ride a motorcyle, but I'm not taxed as a result of not carrying motorcycle insurance.

Many people have to have a car even to get to a grocery store. Walking is really not an option.

 

[PKendall317]

Many people have to have a car even to get to a grocery store. Walking is really not an option.

Down in Martinsville I regularly see people riding around on lawnmowers and using them to haul stuff to the scrapyard where I work. It makes me real sad that people have to resort to that because they can't afford another method of transportation. At the same time however, these particular individuals only source of income is scrapping and welfare/disability which people like me and everyone else who has a job are paying for.

 

[PINski1015]

Look, when the government starts passing laws that violate the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 14th Amendments, you'll be the first person I call.

You should read The Patriot Act or NDAA.

 

[buckstopshere]

It'll be different here though.

you betcha! Cuz we are a free peoples!

 

[PKendall317]

You should read The Patriot Act or NDAA.

Damn it! You just had to remind me that those two laws existed and ruined my fantasy world! Now I have to go move to Canada. Lol

 

[Tsigos]

Which is why I don't understand why the frickin' Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate, which requires you to pay an extra tax for not buying health insurance.

If you don't put your money into a retirement plants save for retirement, it gets taxed. If corporations don't reinvest profits, the profit is taxed. Now, if are rolling the dice and freeloading on the health care system by not having health insurance you get taxed.

 

[PKendall317]

If you don't put your money into a retirement plants save for retirement, it gets taxed. If corporations don't reinvest profits, the profit is taxed. Now, if are rolling the dice and freeloading on the health care system by not having health insurance you get taxed.

Governments around the world will always try to find a way to squeeze an extra penny or two out of the pockets of their citizens. The only question is how much will we let them take?

 

[Lex Concord]

Agreed, but I did say owning one's health, not healthcare.

So you did. All the same...health, while paramount to the individual, is just a sliver of what these megalomaniacs believe they do (should) control for the betterment of the communal "we".

I think their philosophy similar to that of Mussolini (All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.)

"This would be easier if it were a dictatorship, just so long as I am the dictator."

They all think that way...GWB was just the first one honest (stupid?) enough to say it out loud.I'm looking forward to my tax for not buying sufficient copies of "Dreams from My Father", or the sequels, "Lies from My Administration" and "Tragedies from My Policies".

 

[.45 Dave]

No way in hell am I living in a country that tells me which church to go to or what god to believe in.

Wow--the spiritual depths of that statement are stupifying!! "No way in hell...church and god..." all in the same deep breath.

--JK

 

[Lex Concord]

I'd be interested to see if there are any polls or data out there that ask wether or not the people who live in countries that already have a nationalized healthcare system are happy with it and the higher taxes that I'm sure they pay for it.

Look up the "Liverpool protocol"...many folks aren't too happy with that.

 

[PKendall317]

Wow--the spiritual depths of that statement are stupifying!! "No way in hell...church and god..." all in the same deep breath.

--JK

You know I didn't notice all of that until you pointed that out. I meant for that to be a serious statement but now I can't stop laughing!