Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Keith_Indy]

So, I'd think the smart play for Putin would be to keep this at the cold war level.

Enough to justify keeping troops on the border and playing games in Ukraine, but not enough to justify a full hot war between NATO and him.

Putin gains prestige internally, so long as a hot war doesn't start. He can gain concessions from NATO because he's got their nuts in vise with Russian fuel exports. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe if those pipelines aren't kept open.

Putin is a rational actor and will work for the best interests of Russia (or whatever they call themselves now.)

 

[Tombs]

So, I'd think the smart play for Putin would be to keep this at the cold war level.

Enough to justify keeping troops on the border and playing games in Ukraine, but not enough to justify a full hot war between NATO and him.

Putin gains prestige internally, so long as a hot war doesn't start. He can gain concessions from NATO because he's got their nuts in vise with Russian fuel exports. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe if those pipelines aren't kept open.

Putin is a rational actor and will work for the best interests of Russia (or whatever they call themselves now.)

I'm not so sure they have much to fear.

 

[cobber]

I'm not so sure they have much to fear.

Mostly peaceful? I guess not...

 

[Keith_Indy]

I'm not so sure they have much to fear.

I would note, if there is a queer/blm supporter on deck painting that bomb before it goes off to blow up stuff, as long as they are doing their job, not a hot mess and not effecting their unit... well, if their unit don't have a real problem with it, then I don't. I would assume there are ways of taking care of them if they were a hot mess.

Of course, that's even assuming the picture is real, or that it's not just a practical joke on whoever gets bombed.

 

[Keith_Indy]

And by Cold War levels, replays of the Yugoslavian wars, and Chechen campaigns ( I and II ) can't be discounted.

The Yugoslav Wars were a series of separate but related ethnic conflicts, wars of independence, and insurgencies fought in the former Yugoslavia from 1991 to 2001, leading up to and resulting from the breakup of the Yugoslav federation in 1992. Its constituent republics declared independence due to unresolved tensions between ethnic minorities in the new countries, which fueled the wars.

If I were Russia or China, the best possible outcome in world power is a divided, bickering USA, even better if the "United States" is the Confederation of Red versus the Peoples Republic of Blue.

Want to freak Europe out, start pushing the "NATO has outlived it's usefulness" meme.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I can only think of one that hasn't been banned. At least one vocal one.

Ya, but Jetta said he voted for trump?

 

[ancjr]

Ya, but Jetta said he voted for trump?

More evidence there was vote fraud!

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I’m curious how much of this is for show to ramp up approval ratings and how much is actually factual. I think it’s probably 50/50. I think Russia has a desire to take Ukraine back, but I think media is blowing it out of proportion, like usual. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Related??

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

China and Taiwan
Iran vs whoever they want to F with
Russia vs whoever they want to F with

[All agreed to for their Biden 2020 support, wink, wink, nod, nod, norms, norms]

Gee, but no mean tweets right...

 

[indykid]

Putin knows that any outside force could not take over Russia in a conventional war. Reference a guy named Hitler and what happened on their eastern front. Putin doesn’t care about his potential troop losses. He is safely tucked away thousands of miles from the fighting.

What he also knows is that if he sucks the USA into a conventional war, our economy would probably not be able to sustain it. About what Reagan/Bush1 did to the former Soviet Union.

 

[jsharmon7]

I’m curious how much of this is for show to ramp up approval ratings and how much is actually factual. I think it’s probably 50/50. I think Russia has a desire to take Ukraine back, but I think media is blowing it out of proportion, like usual. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

It’s sort of turning out that way. It’ll turn into a nothingburger that Biden will try to use to bolster his awful approval rating. I don’t see how any country benefits from actually fighting a hot war.

 

[Expat]

Some retired general was on FNC just now. He expects invasion around the start of the olympics so that people's attention is diverted. Retired Gen Jack Keene says Putin will want to have the invasion done before about mid march because the ground will thaw and heavy armor can go through mud but it is a slog.

I think other than stomping his foot and making a puckered look, we will let it go as Obama did in Crimea (maybe some sanction, talk mean about Putin, etc.). Otherwise our choices will become pretty stark.
1. Admit defeat at some point
2. Use tactical nukes
3. Start the draft and prepare for a long ground war.

And that is why other than giving the Ukraine to them (we will supply some military equipment but so what), there are no choices that we are prepared accept.

 

[AtTheMurph]

Russian troop deployments around Ukraine have not changed in a over a year. So what is different now than then?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Anyone up for some tinfoil hat material? Not a word of this from anyone else.

I take this with a truckload of salt until there is some corroboration.

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[HoughMade]

It’s sort of turning out that way. It’ll turn into a nothingburger that Biden will try to use to bolster his awful approval rating. I don’t see how any country benefits from actually fighting a hot war.

I agree, but this seems like an opportunity for Putin to flex and Biden to be weak....and Putin obviously knows that.

There will be no hot war...with the U.S. involved, because if it looks like that is coming, Biden will declare the mission a success and pull our people out. Then Russia can invade.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Russian troop deployments around Ukraine have not changed in a over a year. So what is different now than then?

The need to divert attention from somewhere else? Government has run out of shiny things to give us... Russia has leverage with the Biden's corrupt deals in the Ukraine, and the Biden's have 31 Billion(?) invested in China

 

[Keith_Indy]

Advisory role...

US special operations presses on in Ukraine amid threat of Russian invasion

U.S. special operators are continuing with a mission to build up an elite fighting force in Ukraine, military officials said, even as Russia threatens invasion.

www.stripes.com

The presence of U.S. special operators is part of a small American military contingent that remains in Ukraine. There are also more than 100 Florida National Guard troops in Ukraine in an advisory role, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday.

YEEEE HAWWW!!!!

Ukraine: Special Forces Trained by CIA

According to a story published in the Yahoo portal, former members of National Security and Ukrainian special forces have been secretly trained by the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States (CIA).

www.telesurenglish.net

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Anyone up for some tinfoil hat material? Not a word of this from anyone else.

I take this with a truckload of salt until there is some corroboration.

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Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

Which can be very deadly. I would imagine Putyong has a lot to say against BiDUMB

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[HoughMade]

Oh wait...you guys know that the troop deployment rumors aren't rumors, right? Other countries are sending (minimal) troops planes and ships, and some U.S. troops are on alert.

This smells tripwiry...but Like I said, Biden will stand down or pull out even if there is deployment.

NATO sending fighters, ships to region; UK to withdraw some staff from embassy in Ukraine

NATO announced Monday that it will send fighter jets and ships to eastern Europe as tension with the alliance and Russia hit a fever pitch due to the possibility of a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

www.foxnews.com