NRA Supports Bump Stock Regulation

[Alpo]

It is what you are discussing. I'm limiting myself to bump stocks. Mission creep results in chaos.

 

[IndyDave1776]

And that's where we disagree. It IS about bump stocks. You are speaking of ideology. I am speaking of a stupid device. This thread is about Bump Stocks.

Thank you for clarifying that you are unable to separate incident-specific details from the matter of principle which is where the real political issue is found.

 

[Liberty1916]

It is what you are discussing. I'm limiting myself to bump stocks. Mission creep results in chaos.

Mission creep comes later, after they ban bump stocks.

 

[openwell]

Banning so-called "bump stocks" with nothing in return is a net negative............................media.

What about the 22,000+ concert goers?????
"All gave some, and Some Gave All"....................Billy Ray Cyrus (c)1993

 

[courier6]

It is what you are discussing. I'm limiting myself to bump stocks. Mission creep results in chaos.

So you agree no one should "Shoot that fast". I'd hate to show you videos of trained people with match grade triggers shooting just as fast.

 

[BravoMike]

I'm disappointed in a lot of my fellow INGOers.

If you have uttered the phrase "high cap mag" you may have stepped one foot onto the slippery slope already. We need to un-brainwash you. Repeat after me; the 2A guarantees a free citizen the means to ward off an oppressive tyrannical .gov. We should not allow a .gov to restrict the tools a free citizen would need to fend off same .gov if it were to become tyrannical.

Some times I wish we had a like button on INGO.

 

[lonehoosier]

No matter which side you fall one as far as the NRA or bump stocks please take the time to watch this. Thank you

[video=youtube_share;MgKtz6dKOXY]http://youtu.be/MgKtz6dKOXY[/video]

[video=youtube_share;dHFG57B8Up8]http://youtu.be/dHFG57B8Up8[/video]

 

[eldirector]

You know, I may buy into this "accessories are not arms" idea.

If they aren't arms, they should not fall under the jurisdiction of the BATFE at all.

 

[Alpo]

So you agree no one should "Shoot that fast". I'd hate to show you videos of trained people with match grade triggers shooting just as fast.

We already had the Miculek argument. Keep up.

What's faster than Miculek? A flanker.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

 

[courier6]

We already had the Miculek argument. Keep up.

What's faster than Miculek? A flanker.

So what part of "Shall not be infringed" do you have a problem with?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So what part of "Shall not be infringed" do you have a problem with?

Say I have a 3D printer, and on a whim, I accidentally create this weird thing that you put on a rifle barrel. It's totally innocuous, but for some reason, it makes two rounds fire instead of one. Like... two come out of the barrel at the same time! Crazy!

A year later, someone uses it in a mass shooting... Until then, it'd mostly been ridiculed and made fun of for how impractical and stupid it is.

Legislation is introduced to ban this weird thing I created.

Are we being infringed? Did we lose a piece of our cake? Did we back down an inch?

Or are things exactly like they were before this recent thing was created?

 

[Alpo]

So what part of "Shall not be infringed" do you have a problem with?

You must have missed this post.

Is the bump stock a firearm? Does it fall within the definition of "arms" in 2A?
Doesn't Heller come into play if you believe it to be an "arm"?

Do mechanical or electro-mechanical assistance devices incorporated into firearms change the character of a firearm from semi-auto to auto?

See, I don't have a problem with your position. You get a vote. One vote.

I don't agree. I get to vote against it.

That's how it works. You aren't trying to persuade me to your side of the argument. You are just arguing.

 

[JollyMon]

Say I have a 3D printer, and on a whim, I accidentally create this weird thing that you put on a rifle barrel. It's totally innocuous, but for some reason, it makes two rounds fire instead of one. Like... two come out of the barrel at the same time! Crazy!

A year later, someone uses it in a mass shooting... Until then, it'd mostly been ridiculed and made fun of for how impractical and stupid it is.

Legislation is introduced to ban this weird thing I created.

Are we being infringed? Did we lose a piece of our cake? Did we back down an inch?

Or are things exactly like they were before this recent thing was created?

Yes. we are infringed.

You just described that any forward progress made can be repealed. By this logic, only things that existed when the constitution was created are protected.

 

[ScouT6a]

Some times I wish we had a like button on INGO.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Yes. we are infringed.

You just described that any forward progress made can be repealed. By this logic, only things that existed when the constitution was created are protected.

New and efficient designs of firearms, new features... those are forward progress.

Weird addons that make the gun do things it probably isn't meant to do... addons that might even damage the gun if used improperly, cause frequent jams, overheating... that's not progress. That's just a weird work-around. I can't imagine many here truly believe the bumpstock as "progress" in firearms evolution. We already have full-auto fire, and it works just fine on its own

 

[Alpo]

Someone has already rigged a Glock to a drone and triggered it by remote.

Technology is increasing at a fast pace. There is almost no end to the creative abilities of humanity.

I didn't hear a lot of squawking over the Glockerized Drone.

 

[JollyMon]

New and efficient designs of firearms, new features... those are forward progress.

Weird addons that make the gun do things it probably isn't meant to do... addons that might even damage the gun if used improperly, cause frequent jams, overheating... that's not progress. That's just a weird work-around. I can't imagine many here truly believe the bumpstock as "progress" in firearms evolution. We already have full-auto fire, and it works just fine on its own

I believe many of the add ons that Californians use to get around the states stupid laws are progress. They are worthless to me because my state doesnt have those restrictions. They make performing tasks easier. From reloading to releasing a magazine. They are progress that serve a purpose. Do you not consider those progress because other states have mag releases?

Or should we ban those too because they violate the essence of the law? and aer just used to get around what the government said.

 

[ScouT6a]

I can't predict what they'd be happy with. I just know they have the leverage on this issue, we don't.

Yes, yes we do have leverage on this one.
It's the fact that an agency of the Federal government approved the accessory, initially and then reviewed it two times after that.

 

[courier6]

I didn't hear a lot of squawking over the Glockerized Drone.

The right of the drones to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Weird, I've been reading it wrong this whole time.