Here Comes the Executive Order on Background Checks

[Trigger Time]

Is this guy for real seriously? Anyone else think he could just be a troll maybe even a banned party just hijacking and riling up folks here?
This thead had already came undone. There's a new generation of "know it alls". These are the young college age folks that think they are so smart but their real life experiences Make them so nieve and suceptible to suggestion. Which is why Obama type scum recruit them. This is when Obama himself was recruited by the communists.
My own extended family who were HUGE "democrats" have came around to see how full of **** this president and his cronies are. And they are now huge gun people and even speak out against his hidden agendas. Mind blowing to me but it shows that free thinkers have hope to come to the light. But you cannot expect this from a person who thinks they know it all.

 

[Trigger Time]

I was wonder how one can own guns but willing to to give up and give in....

Also....somebody said something about shoot and burgers, and maybe bacon....when and where?

exactly. I don't get that either. I wasn't raised like that. My 70 something year old father has an AK loaded up and a GLOCK ready to go for "when they come to try and take my guns". And he (a Vietnam vet) has the balls to use them too believe me and isn't full of hot air like many.
So for me also the concept of just handing them over isn't even an option that I understand.

 

[cbhausen]

Jesus Christ, guys. Just ignore that which you want to go away. This thread's cross track error is off the scale.

As for the gunpowder and bacon cheeseburger therapy, I'm there. Just say where and when. I tried to get a meet and eat going but it fizzled.

 

[Birds Away]

The cheeseburgers are wonderful. In case you didn't know.

 

[Trigger Time]

The cheeseburgers are wonderful. In case you didn't know.

Jesus am I the only one who's not gotten a free cheeseburger?

 

[Birds Away]

I have purchased many and eaten many. I've traveled as much as nearly three hours to have one.

 

[Trigger Time]

I have purchased many and eaten many. I've traveled as much as nearly three hours to have one.

I've purchased too

 

[Expat]

I have to make my own cheeseburgers...

 

[Birds Away]

I have to make my own cheeseburgers...

You live in "the region", yes? I thought that was commie land. I assumed you all got a cheeseburger allowance from the gubmint every month.

 

[cobber]

Regarding cheeseburgers, as the late, great Mike Royko wrote, "Ubi est mea" or "Where's mine"?

(Actually he was proposing that as the motto for the city of Chicago, but it fits here...)

 

[Expat]

You live in "the region", yes? I thought that was commie land. I assumed you all got a cheeseburger allowance from the gubmint every month.

NO NO NO!
i am east of South Bend... Not west... I am in Amish country, not in the Chicago overflow area.

 

[Birds Away]

NO NO NO!
i am east of South Bend... Not west... I am in Amish country, not in the Chicago overflow area.

Okay, my bad. Probably get some good homemade cheeseburgers then.

 

[RustyHornet]

Mmmmmmm cheeseburgers.....

 

[Lowe0]

Is this guy for real seriously? Anyone else think he could just be a troll maybe even a banned party just hijacking and riling up folks here?

No. Seriously, so many crazy hypotheses instead of the much simpler possibility that someone can enjoy shooting and still not think that the Republican Party would best lead the country.

What makes the culture war so important that the party is willing to turn away voters who otherwise could help support gun rights?

 

[cobber]

Did someone say cheeseburgers?


How long until the feds want a background check on those, BTW?

 

[Expat]

I saw where Obama is stopping country of origin on meat packaging. So, he plans on killing off all cheeseburger eaters.

 

[jbombelli]

I'm down for a cheeseburger. But then again I'M part of this community. I'll show up and stand behind what I say online, and I'll deal with any fallout from it. Or... rather... i shove my face in and make other people deal with it.

I already got my CM Burger though.

 

[ghuns]

I know this will come as a shock to a large amount of INGO, but there are people who own guns, like guns, and like to shoot to whom the defense of the 2nd Amendment is not the end all, be all of their existence. There are political and social issues that affect them on a daily basis that may be a bigger concern to them than the latest news of another potential infringement on the 2A. Occasionally, one of them wanders into a place like this and the dogpile begins. They eventually leave with all their preconceived notions of what us "gun nuts" are really like firmly reinforced.

 

[Lowe0]

I'm down for a cheeseburger. But then again I'M part of this community. I'll show up and stand behind what I say online, and I'll deal with any fallout from it. Or... rather... i shove my face in and make other people deal with it.

I already got my CM Burger though.

I really don't get why people are hung up on something that should have ceased to be an issue pages ago. When did being respectful of someone else's time become a bad thing?

 

[IndyDave1776]

No. Seriously, so many crazy hypotheses instead of the much simpler possibility that someone can enjoy shooting and still not think that the Republican Party would best lead the country.

What makes the culture war so important that the party is willing to turn away voters who otherwise could help support gun rights?

You have asked a big question that takes in a lot of territory, but addressing the cultural issues...

1. Abortion is probably at the top of the list. It turns entirely on one's beliefs, but the left's beliefs on the critical point are just as religious as the right's, specifically the question of whether an unborn child is or is not a separate and distinct human life. For those of us who believe it is (and the other side's belief that it is not are not any more 'objective' than mine other than in their own imaginations), agreeing to tolerate murder of the most innocent for the sole offense of being inconvenient to the irresponsible is absolutely unacceptable and not subject to compromise.

2. Many aspects of the cultural fight are not about being treated equally so much as dealing with the push for legislatively mandated affirmation. Case in point, those pushing for gay marriage completely lost my sympathy at one critical point. The compromise solution of a civil union was not good enough for them, and nothing not involving the word 'marriage' was acceptable. This told me a couple of things. First, we are back to 'compromise' being defined as the left settling for less than everything on the bucket list right now while giving up nothing. Second, as evidenced by the mischief done with the words 'infringe', 'regulate', and 'reasonable', it has been proven that allowing government to redefine language is a dangerous thing in general, and marriage has never before in world history been applied to a homosexual relationship. Third, if equal rights, privileges, and responsibilities are NOT enough, that brings us back to having an agenda legislatively and/or judicially shoved down the throats of the unwilling. The law should not be a tool of propaganda and thought control which is the only thing left after equal rights. Fourth, if being equal isn't enough, one can only suppose that being more than equal is the actual goal in ways exceeding legislatively mandated affirmation of something that many of us will never affirm as right and proper.

3. I would include environmentalism as a cultural issue in addition to being a practical one. I do not support trashing the place, but then again, I do not support being legislated into the stone age. The unfortunate truth is that as of the present the environmental issue is being driven culturally rather than by fact. If one considers historical weather/climate conditions and the natural phenomena which heavily impact them, it seems pretty clear that in terms of 'global warming' or 'climate change' as is now fashionable in the absence of warming to be found, the issue is political control and money. Unfortunately, there are far too many people being led around by their noses in fear of destroying the planet out from under themselves, and they consider it blasphemous to question the manipulators who are doing so. Sorry, but I am not willing to have my life dictated by someone else's irrational fears.

4. You should also consider that gun rights ARE A HUGE PART OF THE CULTURE WAR. Asking someone why he won't jettison the cultural issue just doesn't make sense. The entire issue turns on truncating a constitutional right in deference to the irrational fears of a certain voting bloc which, in turn, is fostered by politicians who clearly understand the Second Amendment and the reason it was included in the Constitution--which does not bode well for some of their aspirations if they can't get rid of it. Let me remind you that if an enumerated constitutional right can be either eliminated or ignored as legislation contrary to that right is passed, any contrived right that you think you are gaining is NOT in fact a right, but a conditional privilege granted at the pleasure of the government. Don't ever forget that.

5. Last but not least, these people of whom you speak who otherwise would support gun rights. You might, but how many do you really thing there are, and if they would, how reliable do you think they would be. I certainly wouldn't count on you for much even if the GOP took a hard left turn on every issue other than guns. One of the critical elements at hand here is that in order to be a constructive participant at this level, a person must understand the difference between matters of principle and matters contingent on specific circumstances, he must have a working understanding of the Constitution, the nature of the republic ESPECIALLY THE CRITICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A REPUBLIC AND A DEMOCRACY, federalism, and an understanding of the nature of those who willfully subvert the Constitution for their own gain, be it financial, political, or both. You have demonstrated that you signally fail to grasp any of the above. I would prefer to help you to understand these concepts than excoriate you for not understanding them, but you have shown no inclination toward caring to understand them. You, sir, are a natural-born subject and slave.

*Please note that nowhere did I say that blindly pulling the R lever is a blanket solution for any of these issues.