DeSantis 2024?

[KG1]

 

[nonobaddog]

Yep, so called conservatives sitting on their collective a***s will win the day…

The best thing conservatives can do is sign up in the big cities to be election judges and vote counters and get involved in the whole election process in the high people-density precincts and the high cheating-density precincts.
I don't see anybody else trying to save fair and free elections for America so it is either something we do or sit back and watch it all flush down the crapper.

 

[jamil]

Yep, so called conservatives sitting on their collective a***s will win the day…

So if you don’t nuzzle Trump’s tallywhacker you’re not a real conservative?

 

[oze]

Don't you want to be able to hold the person you vote for accountable? I do. I don't give a **** who it is. It's points for vs points against. Having to pay off a porn star because you ****ed her when your wife was pregnant is points against. Getting rid of useless regulations is points for. See? You keep score. If in the end there are more negatives than positives, you look for someone else. But you don't keep score. To you, it's all good. I say **** that.

I also use the points system in cases where every way I look at it, I lose. In this case:
POSITIVES

Nominating conservative judges: +1

Fiscal policies that grew my IRA: +1

Energy policies that helped America achieve energy independence: +1

I bet others here could come up with more positives: +10

NEGATIVES

****ing a porn star while wife was pregnant: -1

Championing mRNA shots that proved to be snake oil at best, dangerous at worst, and still patting himself on the back for it: -1

Childish, megomaniacial behavior: -1

Encouraging supporters to stay home during Senatorial elections, thus costing a Republican Senate majority (twice): -(googolplex)

 

[jamil]

I also use the points system in cases where every way I look at it, I lose. In this case:
POSITIVES

Nominating conservative judges: +1

Fiscal policies that grew my IRA: +1

Energy policies that helped America achieve energy independence: +1

I bet others here could come up with more positives: +10

NEGATIVES

****ing a porn star while wife was pregnant: -1

Championing mRNA shots that proved to be snake oil at best, dangerous at worst, and still patting himself on the back for it: -1

Childish, megomaniacial behavior: -1

Encouraging supporters to stay home during Senatorial elections, thus costing a Republican Senate majority (twice): -(googolplex)

That last one was a real ****headed dumbass move. And people actually obeyed.

This is why I’m looking for someone with fewer negatives. Someone who reasonably has the positives without the baggage. DeSantis might be that but the jury is still out. He’s still up on Biden in the RCP average at least, where Trump is even. Too early to tell.

 

[oze]

My very real fear is that, should Trump not win the Republican nomination, his king-sized ego would have him either run as an independent, or convince his supporters to stay home, because, of course, the only way he could have lost the nomination is that the election was rigged.

On the other hand, should Trump win the nomination, so many people abhor him, that I fear a 1980-landslide loss.

Any way I look at it, I lose. Except one scenario: Trump loses the nomination, swallows his ego, and pledges support to the Republican nominee. Right after pigs fly out of my butt.

 

[jamil]

My very real fear is that, should Trump not win the Republican nomination, his king-sized ego would have him either run as an independent, or convince his supporters to stay home, because, of course, the only way he could have lost the nomination is that the election was rigged.

On the other hand, should Trump win the nomination, so many people abhor him, that I fear a 1980-landslide loss.

Any way I look at it, I lose. Except one scenario: Trump loses the nomination, swallows his ego, and pledges support to the Republican nominee. Right after pigs fly out of my butt.

If Trump is not the nominee, I think a good number of people would follow him. Some Trumpers would follow him off a cliff. The only path to victory in the general election if Trump is not the nominee would have to be with the help of a lot of crossover Democrats who are sick of ClownWorld™.

If Trump were to run as an independent he would lose, but also, likely cause whoever beats him in the primary to lose the general. And I would not be surprised if he ran out of spite.

 

[nonobaddog]

My very real fear is that, should Trump not win the Republican nomination, his king-sized ego would have him either run as an independent, or convince his supporters to stay home, because, of course, the only way he could have lost the nomination is that the election was rigged.

Any way I look at it, I lose. Except one scenario: Trump loses the nomination, swallows his ego, and pledges support to the Republican nominee. Right after pigs fly out of my butt.

Trump is smart. He knows if he ran as an independent he would lose and he would cause the Republicans to lose.
Trump loves America and he would not want the Republicans to lose. However Trump also loves Trump so he would want to run. I guess this scenario would show which he loves more.

 

[KG1]

If Trump is not the nominee, I think a good number of people would follow him. Some Trumpers would follow him off a cliff. The only path to victory in the general election if Trump is not the nominee would have to be with the help of a lot of crossover Democrats who are sick of ClownWorld™.

If Trump were to run as an independent he would lose, but also, likely cause whoever beats him in the primary to lose the general. And I would not be surprised if he ran out of spite.

Trump has to get into the WH in order to make some of this legal stuff go away. I truly believe he would set precedent and pardon himself as well if it came down to it or hope that another nominee would do it if they won the general.

If the Democrat nominee wins, he's finished. No pardon for at least four years maybe longer that is if a GOP nominee can't win in 2028. So in that sense I would think it might behoove Trump loyalists to get on board and vote for another nominee should Trump not win the primary. Also IMO it wouldn't be very prudent if Trump ran as an independent potentially causing another GOP nominee to lose who might be open to pardoning him.

In either case whomever the GOP nominee is has to win the general election.

 

[nonobaddog]

In either case whomever the GOP nominee is has to win the general election.

In any case..
In every case...
In all cases...

 

[KG1]

In any case..
In every case...
In all cases...

Of course. That's why I intend to vote for whomever the GOP nominee is.

 

[oze]

If Trump is not the nominee, I think a good number of people would follow him. Some Trumpers would follow him off a cliff. The only path to victory in the general election if Trump is not the nominee would have to be with the help of a lot of crossover Democrats who are sick of ClownWorld™.

If Trump were to run as an independent he would lose, but also, likely cause whoever beats him in the primary to lose the general. And I would not be surprised if he ran out of spite.

Unfortunately, yep to all.

 

[jamil]

Trump has to get into the WH in order to make some of this legal stuff go away. I truly believe he would set precedent and pardon himself as well if it came down to it or hope that another nominee would do it if they won the general.

If the Democrat nominee wins, he's finished. No pardon for at least four years that is if a GOP nominee can win in 2028. So in that sense it would behoove Trump loyalists to get on board and vote for another nominee should Trump not win the primary. Also it wouldn't be very prudent if Trump ran as an independent potentially causing another GOP nominee to lose who might be open to pardoning him.

In either case whomever the GOP nominee is has to win the general election.

I don't think Trump will always do the wise thing. I think he will always do the Trump thing. Say DeSantis found some stuff on Trump that only the most ardent loyal always-trumpers would let slide, and he released the information. And that cost Trump the primaries. And DeSantis won. I'm pretty sure Trump would want to blow DeSantis's general election campaign up. He'd run independent and take his loyal Trumpers with him. DeSantis would lose, and then we'd have another 4 years of ClownWorld™. But DeSantis winning is not a likely scenario if he can't turn it around.

 

[jamil]

Of course. That's why I intend to vote for whomever the GOP nominee is.

Well. I mean. I don't know if I could vote for the fat ass pussbag. Would he be any different? I think he'd be as woke as anyone. Maybe we'd see a difference. He'd probably hide his illegal dealings better than Biden does.

 

[KLB]

Well. I mean. I don't know if I could vote for the fat ass pussbag. Would he be any different? I think he'd be as woke as anyone. Maybe we'd see a difference. He'd probably hide his illegal dealings better than Biden does.

Thankfully I doubt there is a scenario where we have to make that choice.

 

[jamil]

Thankfully I doubt there is a scenario where we have to make that choice.

No. I suspect the Fat Ass Pussbag is there for one reason, and I don't think that reason has to do with him winning.

 

[nonobaddog]

I keep waiting for next really great candidate - he would be called the White Knight and come riding up on a huge white horse with Kate Upton hanging on to him.

 

[KG1]

I don't think Trump will always do the wise thing. I think he will always do the Trump thing. Say DeSantis found some stuff on Trump that only the most ardent loyal always-trumpers would let slide, and he released the information. And that cost Trump the primaries. And DeSantis won. I'm pretty sure Trump would want to blow DeSantis's general election campaign up. He'd run independent and take his loyal Trumpers with him. DeSantis would lose, and then we'd have another 4 years of ClownWorld™. But DeSantis winning is not a likely scenario if he can't turn it around.

Well I'm still not sure Trump would blow it up simply for the reason that he needs someone in the WH to potentially pardon him if the need arises. It would be foolish in my estimation if he did so. Not gonna happen with a Democrat in there.

 

[BugI02]

You say that like it's a bad thing. This sounds a lot like you begrudge people who don't adore Trump like you do. I don't think highly of the guy. But he's better than pretty much any Democrat. So yeah, any support I would give him, would be because he's the last chance. You're mischaracterizing that as "grudgingly". I don't begrudge Trump. I'd rather not have to vote for him though. Has nothing to do with resentment or such.


Wait. Let me get this straight. You think the "nose-holders" are secretly Trump fanbois, but put on an act so that they don't have to have any responsibility in case Trump ****s up? Dude, how projecting can you be. You obviously haven't a clue how this "politicans are all evil" thing works.

Don't you want to be able to hold the person you vote for accountable? I do. I don't give a **** who it is. It's points for vs points against. Having to pay off a porn star because you ****ed her when your wife was pregnant is points against. Getting rid of useless regulations is points for. See? You keep score. If in the end there are more negatives than positives, you look for someone else. But you don't keep score. To you, it's all good. I say **** that.



Well. I'd say, if that were actually true, it wouldn't compare with your racket. All Trump all day rain or shine, ain't no bad, it's all good, that mushroom thang tastes great and if you don't agree, you're just a never trumper meanie.



I think that's part of the problem. To make facts fit into the reality you want, you have add absurd complexity. But it's not hard math. Trump, in my opinion, isn't the right guy for the job. Maybe DeSantis isn't either. But if Trump is the one left standing against Democrats, then I have to vote for Trump. It's no more complicated than that. But you want to make it into some nefarious motive.

Your opinion is that he is exactly perfect for the job, and you believe he is worthy of your fiercest loyalty. Okay. Fine. You are obviously as entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I don't have to make up complicated nonsense. You do that to yourself in teal.

You insist on being obtuse. What I find distasteful is that you intend to offer Trump no support of any kind between his winning the primary and when you bestow your vote upon him on November 5th

It appears you think we should be grateful that you will condescend to vote for him at all

Depart from us, we never knew ye

 

[BugI02]

I keep waiting for next really great candidate - he would be called the White Knight and come riding up on a huge white horse with Kate Upton hanging on to him.