DeSantis 2024?

[nonobaddog]

Normally, he responds well to "stupid questions"... I think he really flubbed it here... and left the door open for creating a narrative around what he said vs meant, etc. Meandered through to final Nope... way too liberal on way too many issues.

Lose the meandering.

If he had thrown in a couple how he and "Bobby are great friends" and "Florida was perfect..." lines, it would have been a completely "perfect" Trumpian answer. Lol!

Right, Trump was so smooth in those situations and could answer questions perfectly.

 

[BugI02]

I agree with you 100% - but that bidiot f***** is still in the White House. Trump excites the left to extreme, desperate measures of cheating, voter fraud and cover ups.

We know this much - They got by with it. - They will be better at it this time. - If Trump is the candidate they will pull out all the stops and cheat like dumocraps.

I always have to wonder what brings some to conclude any stops will be left in even if it isn't Trump

They'll keep running the election fraud play until we MAKE THEM stop. One way to do that is to elect Trump despite everything they can do to stop us and provide him with the necessary coattails to rip them a new one

When people say we've got to 'bring the court try together' I say **** that. History says defeat your enemy utterly before you even think of offering generous terms

If they don't admit and accept defeat, they won't abide by those terms anyway. The only terms the left is offering are the same ones the Borg would

 

[BugI02]

If the numbers were flipped and it was DeSantis who is inevitable, would you stop supporting Trump? I didn’t think so. Maybe the DeSantis supporters will continue to support him until he drops out.

Stand that on its head - if it was Trump's numbers cratering would the DeSantis supporters not be calling for coalescence? ****, they already have been without any numbers to back it up, just opinions dressed up like facts such as 'If Trump is the nominee, he will lose'

The future isn't written yet

 

[BugI02]

Right, Trump was so smooth in those situations and could answer questions perfectly.

'S***hole' was 100%, to the bone accurate - might not have been smooth, but all smooth gets you is a Romney

 

[nonobaddog]

I always have to wonder what brings some to conclude any stops will be left in even if it isn't Trump

They'll keep running the election fraud play until we MAKE THEM stop. One way to do that is to elect Trump despite everything they can do to stop us and provide him with the necessary coattails to rip them a new one

When people say we've got to 'bring the court try together' I say **** that. History says defeat your enemy utterly before you even think of offering generous terms

If they don't admit and accept defeat, they won't abide by those terms anyway. The only terms the left is offering are the same ones the Borg would

Insemination?

 

[jamil]

Right, Trump was so smooth in those situations and could answer questions perfectly.

You’re fake news!

 

[jamil]

Stand that on its head - if it was Trump's numbers cratering would the DeSantis supporters not be calling for coalescence? ****, they already have been without any numbers to back it up, just opinions dressed up like facts such as 'If Trump is the nominee, he will lose'

The future isn't written yet

Calling for coalescence before the primaries even start? I don’t see DeSantis supporters telling Trumpers to switch sides.

I have said if Trump is the nominee he will likely lose. That’s an opinion, but it is not without factual backing. And I have cited facts to support that, such as the fact that polls consistently show that the number of people who hate him exceeds the number of people who like him. Trumps worst problem is public opinion.

I have never told you that because of this, you should switch sides. What I have said is that Trump has every right to run, and his supporters have every right to support him.

Here’s a prediction. If Trump wins the nomination, which I am fairly certain he will, DeSantis supporters will vote for Trump. Some won’t, because never Trump. But not in sufficient numbers to affect the outcome.

If DeSantis wins the primaries, enough die hard Trumpers will either write in Trump or stay home, that would affect the results. Am I wrong about that? Can you seriously picture yourself tapping the box next to DeSantis’s name in November 2024? Now go do what you do and dig up some facile “facts” to support yourself.

 

[jamil]

'S***hole' was 100%, to the bone accurate - might not have been smooth, but all smooth gets you is a Romney

You can call it a **** hole without using profanity. I know this because I use profanity a lot. But, when in company I know it is not welcome, I say the same thing without profanity. I don’t use profanity in front of coworkers, for example, unless in the company of people who don’t care. I’m not being “smooth” when I refrain, I’m following established social norms.

Trumpers like Trump’s direct language. But it’s mostly just the Trumpers. I’m not a Trumper and it doesn’t bother me personally. A **** hole is a **** hole. But most people don’t like it. Even if they might use that language themselves, they know better than to be vulgar in certain settings themselves. That language turns the casual observer off. It’s an unforced error.

 

[oze]

Calling for coalescence before the primaries even start? I don’t see DeSantis supporters telling Trumpers to switch sides.

I have said if Trump is the nominee he will likely lose. That’s an opinion, but it is not without factual backing. And I have cited facts to support that, such as the fact that polls consistently show that the number of people who hate him exceeds the number of people who like him. Trumps worst problem is public opinion.

I have never told you that because of this, you should switch sides. What I have said is that Trump has every right to run, and his supporters have every right to support him.

Here’s a prediction. If Trump wins the nomination, which I am fairly certain he will, DeSantis supporters will vote for Trump. Some won’t, because never Trump. But not in sufficient numbers to affect the outcome.

If DeSantis wins the primaries, enough die hard Trumpers will either write in Trump or stay home, that would affect the results. Am I wrong about that? Can you seriously picture yourself tapping the box next to DeSantis’s name in November 2024? Now go do what you do and dig up some facile “facts” to support yourself.

I couldn't have articulated this better myself, although I wish I could. Some (most?) Trumpers have such blind fealty towards their lord and master, that they cannot or will not see that the degree of blind hatred of the man by so many people easily equals their feelings of blind love of him.

I've said it before, but to remind the casual reader, I will pinch my nose, hold my breath and vote for Trump in the general election, should he win the nomination. I've done it twice before. But I fear that the Trump defeat will be Mondale-esque this time, and the resulting coattail effect down ballot will be devastating.

 

[jamil]

I couldn't have articulated this better myself, although I wish I could. Some (most?) Trumpers have such blind fealty towards their lord and master, that they cannot or will not see that the degree of blind hatred of the man by so many people easily equals their feelings of blind love of him.

I think you said it well here.

I've said it before, but to remind the casual reader, I will pinch my nose, hold my breath and vote for Trump in the general election, should he win the nomination. I've done it twice before. But I fear that the Trump defeat will be Mondale-esque this time, and the resulting coattail effect down ballot will be devastating.

I think the resentment is that you feel like you have to pinch your nose to vote for him rather than devoutly, eagerly falling into step with him. They first called us nevertrumpers, which is linguistically incorrect. I’m not never-Trump. I am will-hold-my-nose-if-no-one-better. Which they again twisted retardedly by calling us ABT. Which has the same linguistic meaning as never-trump!

I don’t go around calling them ABD. That would be the equivalent and is obviously as retarded. If I called them anything, it would be onlyTrumpers. And I don’t think they’d disagree with that.

 

[BugI02]

Now go do what you do and dig up some facile “facts” to support yourself.

Are those somehow worse than facile 'opinions'?

Them DeSantis [not]our guy peeps get mighty testy when he's augering in and someone points it out

Trump supporters, of course, feel your pain

 

[nonobaddog]

I like Trump and I like DeSantis but neither one of them would be my ideal candidate. I want a conservative that is going to win the election - I mean really kick a**. I sure don't see that in either one of them.

 

[BugI02]

I've said it before, but to remind the casual reader, I will pinch my nose, hold my breath and vote for Trump in the general election, should he win the nomination. I've done it twice before. But I fear that the Trump defeat will be Mondale-esque this time, and the resulting coattail effect down ballot will be devastating.

This kind of can be synopsized as 'Even after he wins the primary, I will give the man no support until I grudgingly vote for him on 5 November 2024 and then blame him entirely for any defeat while absolving myself from any responsibility devolving from such faint hearted support leading up to the election'

That's a pretty good racket. Why shouldn't I treat DeSantis, or the next big [not]Trump thing now that he's flaming out, the same way?

After all, none of it will be my fault, yes?

From where I'm sitting, the calculus that I should immediately whole-heartedly support someone who I think will be a loser in the general if they win the primary, while others commit to the barest minimum of merely voting for Trump in the breach, comes off as insufferable arrogance not strategic thinking. Obviously there just hasn't been enough pain

 

[BugI02]

They first called us nevertrumpers, which is linguistically incorrect. I’m not never-Trump. I am will-hold-my-nose-if-no-one-better. Which they again twisted retardedly by calling us ABT. Which has the same linguistic meaning as never-trump!

Distinctions without a difference. The proof will be when you switch to proselytizing for someone even less likely to carry the day - Ramaswamy, perhaps - before the smoke even clears from DeSantis' impact crater

It is quite ... interesting ... that someone who will cheerfully castigate a Trump supporter as worshipping him or being part of a cult of personality would whinge that an accurate description of their behavior is not 'linguistically correct'

 

[BugI02]

I like Trump and I like DeSantis but neither one of them would be my ideal candidate. I want a conservative that is going to win the election - I mean really kick a**. I sure don't see that in either one of them.

I don't see that in anyone. YMMV

If I have to pay my money and take my chances, I'll go with the one who tried for all he was worth to do many of the things he said he would that are important to me. That would be build a strong economy, seek energy independence, secure the border, confront China as the greatest threat to America, bring manufacturing onshore and avoid pointless wars that drain our country of blood and treasure

All ideas that he supported and went to the wall for before they were popular with anybody but the people who always were paying the price for policies that were not America First

 

[jamil]

Are those somehow worse than facile 'opinions'?

Them DeSantis [not]our guy peeps get mighty testy when he's augering in and someone points it out

Trump supporters, of course, feel your pain

Well, I thought the quotes would make it obvious that it's facts that don't support what you claim.

 

[jamil]

I like Trump and I like DeSantis but neither one of them would be my ideal candidate. I want a conservative that is going to win the election - I mean really kick a**. I sure don't see that in either one of them.

Maybe that candidate exists. But if there is one like that it sure isn't any of the ones in the race now. It's always about least evil.

 

[jamil]

This kind of can be synopsized as 'Even after he wins the primary, I will give the man no support until I grudgingly vote for him on 5 November 2024

You say that like it's a bad thing. This sounds a lot like you begrudge people who don't adore Trump like you do. I don't think highly of the guy. But he's better than pretty much any Democrat. So yeah, any support I would give him, would be because he's the last chance. You're mischaracterizing that as "grudgingly". I don't begrudge Trump. I'd rather not have to vote for him though. Has nothing to do with resentment or such.

and then blame him entirely for any defeat while absolving myself from any responsibility devolving from such faint hearted support leading up to the election'

Wait. Let me get this straight. You think the "nose-holders" are secretly Trump fanbois, but put on an act so that they don't have to have any responsibility in case Trump ****s up? Dude, how projecting can you be. You obviously haven't a clue how this "politicans are all evil" thing works.

Don't you want to be able to hold the person you vote for accountable? I do. I don't give a **** who it is. It's points for vs points against. Having to pay off a porn star because you ****ed her when your wife was pregnant is points against. Getting rid of useless regulations is points for. See? You keep score. If in the end there are more negatives than positives, you look for someone else. But you don't keep score. To you, it's all good. I say **** that.

That's a pretty good racket. Why shouldn't I treat DeSantis, or the next big [not]Trump thing now that he's flaming out, the same way?

After all, none of it will be my fault, yes?

Well. I'd say, if that were actually true, it wouldn't compare with your racket. All Trump all day rain or shine, ain't no bad, it's all good, that mushroom thang tastes great and if you don't agree, you're just a never trumper meanie.

From where I'm sitting, the calculus that I should immediately whole-heartedly support someone who I think will be a loser in the general if they win the primary, while others commit to the barest minimum of merely voting for Trump in the breach, comes off as insufferable arrogance not strategic thinking. Obviously there just hasn't been enough pain

I think that's part of the problem. To make facts fit into the reality you want, you have add absurd complexity. But it's not hard math. Trump, in my opinion, isn't the right guy for the job. Maybe DeSantis isn't either. But if Trump is the one left standing against Democrats, then I have to vote for Trump. It's no more complicated than that. But you want to make it into some nefarious motive.

Your opinion is that he is exactly perfect for the job, and you believe he is worthy of your fiercest loyalty. Okay. Fine. You are obviously as entitled to your opinion as I am mine. I don't have to make up complicated nonsense. You do that to yourself in teal.

 

[Ingomike]

I don't see that in anyone. YMMV

If I have to pay my money and take my chances, I'll go with the one who tried for all he was worth to do many of the things he said he would that are important to me. That would be build a strong economy, seek energy independence, secure the border, confront China as the greatest threat to America, bring manufacturing onshore and avoid pointless wars that drain our country of blood and treasure

All ideas that he supported and went to the wall for before they were popular with anybody but the people who always were paying the price for policies that were not America First

But, but, bumpstocks…

 

[Ingomike]

You say that like it's a bad thing. This sounds a lot like you begrudge people who don't adore Trump like you do.

Yep, so called conservatives sitting on their collective a***s will win the day…