Coronovirus IV

[Libertarian01]

So I guess that is good. How about your foot? Are they going to go with the fungal thing or do more for it?

Foot is still red and itchy on inner toe, but not as much as before. So, is the medicine she gave me working is it going away on its own?

I have just never, ever had some fungal infection like that before so I'm a bit skeptical. But, for now I'll accept that it seems to be receding and continue with the dope.

So it's not in your nose...

Maybe it moved...

Somewhere more... dark.

I dunno. Are you volunteering to check?

Regards,

Doug

 

[eldirector]

https://www.discovermagazine.com/he...andemics-from-the-antonine-plague-to-covid-19

 

[foszoe]

Foot is still red and itchy on inner toe, but not as much as before. So, is the medicine she gave me working is it going away on its own?

I have just never, ever had some fungal infection like that before so I'm a bit skeptical. But, for now I'll accept that it seems to be receding and continue with the dope.



I dunno. Are you volunteering to check?

Regards,

Doug

Maybe you should try wearing a mask.

 

[chipbennett]

Lots of places are making it that complicated..

I've been turned away from places because I can't wear a mask. Even when you explain to them that there are people who medically can't wear a mask. Even explaining disabilities and ADA law with them doesn't ignite their brain cells to think individually.

It's sad how lemming like people have become because of this stupid virus. I swear if someone with a long fancy title told everyone the treatment for COVID 19 was a ketchup enema wed end up with a shortage of ketchup.

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Does ADA apply to this circumstance? And if it does, isn't there an enforcement mechanism?

I assume there are lots of legitimate reasons that people cannot wear masks. I also understand stores setting their own policies of their own volition (and support their right to do so). It is just a shame that said policies are based more out of ignorance and fear than out of sound science and reason. (For example: masks are supposed to mitigate when social distancing cannot be maintained. So, why would a store that is already enforcing social distancing also need to require masks?)

So, yeah; I'm with you.

 

[Ziggidy]

So far, Menards.

Costco


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[foszoe]

(For example: masks are supposed to mitigate when social distancing cannot be maintained. So, why would a store that is already enforcing social distancing also need to require masks?)

having a policy and enforcing it are two different things. When people are getting shot for an attempt to enforce, I think enforce is too strong a term. That said IF such a store exists, you would be correct. However, my experience doesn't match your given.

 

[foszoe]

For those who do not want to wear masks, are you going into COSTCO or Menards? If you do are you following their policy the entire time you are in their store?

 

[Ziggidy]

If I “need” something and “must” go, I will follow the policy; however, I will not just go to shop.

I needed hearing aid supplies and Costco will give them to you free if you purchased the aids from them. I held off as long as I could but I went Friday. Got my 40 bucks of free supplies and left.


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[foszoe]

If one "needed" something and therefore "has" to go somewhere, if does not follow one "has" to go to Costco. If one chooses to go to Costco to save money, then one is going to Costco based on the financial gain of doing so.

if one needs money, and the job pays less than unemployment, one chooses unemployment!

Not saying these are equal for Costco is doing it as a business and the other comes from taxpayers.

But the motive of the individual choosing would seem to be the same.

If I “need” something and “must” go, I will follow the policy; however, I will not just go to shop.

I needed hearing aid supplies and Costco will give them to you free if you purchased the aids from them. I held off as long as I could but I went Friday. Got my 40 bucks of free supplies and left.


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[jamil]

One of the most intelligent posts/stories I have read in several years. Quite a bit of insight into our political divide as well. I agree with the author on most of what he says.
Perhaps it will help you better understand your view on where and why we are struggling to deal with real issues in any concise way.

Few quotes from the story after the link,but leaving it to you rather you would like to read it.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technolog...-culpa-all-twitter-banned-conspiracy-peddlers

[FONT=lucida_granderegular]Can you see how totalizing war mentality can be?[/FONT]
[FONT=lucida_granderegular]War mentality saturates our polarized society, which envisions progress as a consequence of victory -- victory over a virus, over the ignorant, over the left, over the right, over the psychopathic elites, over Donald Trump, over white supremacy, over the liberal elites.... Each side uses the same formula, and that formula requires an enemy. So, obligingly, we divide ourselves up into us and them, exhausting 99% of our energies in a fruitless tug-of-war, never once suspecting that the true evil power might be the formula itself. [/FONT]
[FONT=lucida_granderegular]This is not to propose that we somehow banish conflict from human affairs. It is to question a mythology -- embraced by both sides -- that conceives every problem in conflict’s terms. Struggle and conflict have their place, but other plotlines are possible. There are other pathways to healing and to justice.

[/FONT]
[FONT=lucida_granderegular]After two months of obsessively searching for one, I have not yet found a satisfactory narrative that can account for every data point. That doesn’t mean to take no action because after all, knowledge is never certain. But in the whirlwind of competing narratives and the disjoint mythologies beneath them, we can look for action that makes sense no matter which side is right. We can look for truths that the smoke and clamor of the battle obscures. We can question assumptions both sides take for granted, and ask questions neither side is asking. Not identified with either side, we can gather knowledge from both.[/FONT]
[FONT=lucida_granderegular]Generalizing to society, by bringing in all the voices, including the marginalized ones, we can build a broader social consensus and begin to heal the polarization that is rending and paralyzing our society.[/FONT]

That's a good read. One thing about the quoted part though, "we" can't do what the author suggests because that requires that most people override their programming, their bias, and start caring more about what is true and what is not true about what all the competing perspectives are saying. It almost hurts to do that. For example, one of the most painful things for me to think about is what might the left have right about postmodernism, "wokeness", collectivism, socialism, etcetera, all I hate about the left. I want to believe that everything about those concepts is evil, and that there is nothing true or right or redeeming about them. Those ideas came about for a reason though, and the reasons they came about were an answer to what's wrong about a traditional perspective. As the new perspectives grew in contrast to tradition, at some point they became overcome with ideological extreme. Nevertheless, there are some things about them that are true and useful once the ideological bull**** is stripped away.

 

[jamil]

As I have read, CDC and WHO have never recommended masks, for healthy people, for any previous respiratory disease. They again followed that norm until there became a political furor over mask wear. Certainly seems suspicious that they changed only after it became political.

Some of the same type of people saying that government cannot stop homeless from pooping and peeing openly on the cities sidewalks now want that same government to make people wear masks so as to control others breathing...

That's one way to interpret it. Another might be that the usefulness of wearing masks to keep the spread of infection down became clearer as a coincidence with politicization, and not because of it.

 

[Ziggidy]

If one "needed" something and therefore "has" to go somewhere, if does not follow one "has" to go to Costco. If one chooses to go to Costco to save money, then one is going to Costco based on the financial gain of doing so.

if one needs money, and the job pays less than unemployment, one chooses unemployment!

Not saying these are equal for Costco is doing it as a business and the other comes from taxpayers.

But the motive of the individual choosing would seem to be the same.

I get what you’re saying. I could have ordered the necessary supplies from amazon and paid $40 or put on a mask for 15 minutes and get the supplies for free.

I won’t shop somewhere that has, IMO, ridiculous requirements. I will not spend money at menards or Costco while they have the requirements.

I may be hard headed but I am not stupid.

Others may disagree with me.


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[jamil]

I have no problem with people who want to wear a mask, especially at church, most of our congregation is elderly. But don't preach free will to me and then tell me what to do

The kind of free will they might preach in a non-Calvinist church would be that one chooses salvation through free will. They also teach render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render God to what is God's. There are plenty of rules a church enforces upon its congregation. Those are not impositions on your constitutional rights. They're just rules that impose order on the congregation.

 

[Ingomike]

And I've yet to see a pro-mask person do any of what Mike described. I do chuckle at people that don't wear it right, because it's pointless signaling. These people also probably don't care, and are required to do it for the job or something.

I don't see mask-wearers congratulating themselves... but you also imply with that line that they aren't as safe as you think. Unless I misread it.

This response surprised me but we all see different things in life. I see those things almost daily. The spouse will show me FB posts from friends shaming those that don't wear masks, they love to share confrontational video of someone berating another for not wearing a mask, validating their own sneering or even comments they make to those that choose differently. They post how they went around told others to get a mask; I call that self congratulating.

I have been been asked in all kinds of tones, from kinda kidding to pizzed, "where is your mask" to which the most common reply is I donated them to medical professionals when they asked us too, followed by I am still a free man.

I'm sure individual experience will vary, although the demographic group I see most living in fear is upper middle class and above, that spend too much time on CNN et al, and social media...

 

[jamil]

This response surprised me but we all see different things in life. I see those things almost daily. The spouse will show me FB posts from friends shaming those that don't wear masks, they love to share confrontational video of someone berating another for not wearing a mask, validating their own sneering or even comments they make to those that choose differently. They post how they went around told others to get a mask; I call that self congratulating.

I have been been asked in all kinds of tones, from kinda kidding to pizzed, "where is your mask" to which the most common reply is I donated them to medical professionals when they asked us too, followed by I am still a free man.

I'm sure individual experience will vary, although the demographic group I see most living in fear is upper middle class and above, that spend too much time on CNN et al, and social media...

You can say “pissed” on INGO.

But anyway, I’ve seen it too. Friends, family, coworkers, putting down the people who they see not wearing masks without trying to understand why they’re not wearing them. Also related to that. Remember when the protests against prolonging the shutdown were trivialized as stupid rednecks wanting a haircut? C’mon. The sentiment about reopening the economy had way more depth to it than just haircuts.

 

[terrehautian]

I have yet to see anyone being criticized on my page for wearing a mask directly, same for those posting things to non mask wearers. Seen some generic stuff posted. My favorite is the the one comparing wearing a mask to wearing a seat belt, bike helmet or sunscreen. I responded with a seat belt, sunscreen and bike helmet when used correctly protects you from accidents or major damage. A cloth face mask will stop your spit from being spewed but I have my doubts with a virus the size of corona will actually be stopped by a cloth face mask even when worn correctly. It might stop it some of the time, but also a cloth facemask without a filter doesn't protect you from breathing it in. My favorite is seeing people with cloth masks with fogged up glasses. Guess what, that is your breath escaping by not going through your mask. That means you could be spreading the virus.

This is making the rounds on facebook.

https://ibb.co/bQYcQTs

If drywall dust can get through a surgical type mask, imagine what a virus can do. I went to Menards on April 30th and haven't been back since because of the mask policy. Wear one if you want, but don't force your opinion of them on others. Especially when I see half the people that use them take them down to talk, don't cover noses, or wear them around their neck at the grocery store.

 

[nonobaddog]

I see some places are opening their beaches but they don't allow swimming - what is that about? Is there something wrong about swimming?

 

[nonobaddog]

If drywall dust can get through a surgical type mask, imagine what a virus can do. I went to Menards on April 30th and haven't been back since because of the mask policy. Wear one if you want, but don't force your opinion of them on others. Especially when I see half the people that use them take them down to talk, don't cover noses, or wear them around their neck at the grocery store.

I'm thinking Menards is taking the easy way out. If they require masks they don't have to limit the number of people in the store or draw one-way arrows in the aisles or anything, they can just let 'em all in. They probably don't care if the mask is doing any good at all, it is just signalling they are being good.

 

[BoltThrower]

It's pretty easy to make your own mask, is there any reason not to use just a fabric material?

 

[AngryRooster]

It's pretty easy to make your own mask, is there any reason not to use just a fabric material?

If we answer, will you return to see?