Colin Kaepernick protests the Anthem

[Kutnupe14]

I'm just curious, how many of us here in INGO have had a cop point a firearm at them and survived the interaction? I have, 3 times. Each time I damn well did what I was told, answered their questions and ultimately was apologized to for my being delayed and went on about my business. Yes I'm Caucasian Irish Illinoisan, Floridian, Georgian, Oklahoman, Indiana(N), Kentuckian, et al-ian American.

If someone responds who didn't survive, I'm calling ghostbusters.

 

[BugI02]

[virtual teal] With you on this one, Church. 10+ years ago I would have said (and believed) racism only had one more generation or at most two. I could watch my nephews, who had black friends and collaborators (both are freelancers in tech/music and video production) and see the easy comraderie. I could see that people to them were just people; not black people, brown people, white people, hyphenated Americans. As far as I could tell, nobody felt priviledged or disadvantaged and it was all about the skillset you brought to the table

Something hapjpened, and it's too simplistic to blame it all on Obama ( although he is not blameless, either ). I don't know if it was a c-ordinated process or a synergistic one, but people and especially politicians saw that they could achieve their goals by appealing to division and grievance, and so they did. As long as it works, they will continue to get what they want on the backs of the people whose water they are claiming they carry. [end virtual teal]

 

[Expat]

here is more of the problem......

Spike Lee says Trump treats NFL owners like 'plantation owners' | Fox News

Moron. Most of us employed people know that our employers can fire us if they want to do so. So we have to suck it up and smile at times when we really don't feel like it.

 

[croy]

I'm just curious, how many of us here in INGO have had a cop point a firearm at them and survived the interaction? I have, 3 times. Each time I damn well did what I was told, answered their questions and ultimately was apologized to for my being delayed and went on about my business. Yes I'm Caucasian Irish Illinoisan, Floridian, Georgian, Oklahoman, Indiana(N), Kentuckian, et al-ian American.

I have once.

 

[femurphy77]

If someone responds who didn't survive, I'm calling ghostbusters.

I guess I should have been a little more specifically, survived "relatively" intact.

 

[jamil]

[virtual teal] With you on this one, Church. 10+ years ago I would have said (and believed) racism only had one more generation or at most two. I could watch my nephews, who had black friends and collaborators (both are freelancers in tech/music and video production) and see the easy comraderie. I could see that people to them were just people; not black people, brown people, white people, hyphenated Americans. As far as I could tell, nobody felt priviledged or disadvantaged and it was all about the skillset you brought to the table

Something hapjpened, and it's too simplistic to blame it all on Obama ( although he is not blameless, either ). I don't know if it was a c-ordinated process or a synergistic one, but people and especially politicians saw that they could achieve their goals by appealing to division and grievance, and so they did. As long as it works, they will continue to get what they want on the backs of the people whose water they are claiming they carry. [end virtual teal]

No. Obama was a symptom. He only pushed through the agenda of the problem. He was divisive in the way Trump is divisive. They're attracted to two opposite poles.

 

[femurphy77]

[virtual teal] With you on this one, Church. 10+ years ago I would have said (and believed) racism only had one more generation or at most two. I could watch my nephews, who had black friends and collaborators (both are freelancers in tech/music and video production) and see the easy comraderie. I could see that people to them were just people; not black people, brown people, white people, hyphenated Americans. As far as I could tell, nobody felt priviledged or disadvantaged and it was all about the skillset you brought to the table

Something hapjpened, and it's too simplistic to blame it all on Obama ( although he is not blameless, either ). I don't know if it was a c-ordinated process or a synergistic one, but people and especially politicians saw that they could achieve their goals by appealing to division and grievance, and so they did. As long as it works, they will continue to get what they want on the backs of the people whose water they are claiming they carry. [end virtual teal]

Not a HUGE conspiracy theorist although I do know it WAS aliens! However. . . . I wouldn't find it too far fetched to think that a certain group of individuals in DC might have been concerned that perhaps they were starting to come under a little too much scrutiny by the people they "represent" so maybe now would be a good time to distract them by creating a new crisis to distract them. I can't believe that our government is that organized but stranger things have happened, remember. . . .

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[JeremiahJohnson]

I waited nearly 2 years to get into the engineering field I wanted at University of Louisville Speed Scientific while others - with lower scores and lower grades - went in ahead of me. I was directly affected by quotas in the 80's. My problem? I am white and male. They needed more minorities and females. In Louisville bussing was the answer for desegregation and that's how I ended up in Southern Indiana. My parents worked their asses off to get us out of West Louisville and to better schools - better in the sense of crime and materials and opportunities, they were not about to let forced bussing take me back down there far from home. So, because I am white and male, I have had to work harder, be more patient, to get where I am. You have a long row to hoe convincing me of white privilege.

In my dad's time, there were signs and laws segregating people and holding people of color in places they'd rather not be. Those days are gone. MLK and the civil rights movement destroyed all of those signs and all of those laws. People may still be prejudice - that will probably never change for one reason or another - but the laws and circumstances have changed. NOTHING even close to what my parents lived exists today.

I don't see color when I pick my friends and I don't see color in the places I go. I've raised my son to be the same way. I work in a diverse environment, doesn't bother me in the slightest - why would it? So, like CM, I am confused as to what the problem really is. What are the demands? How do we know when we've answered those demands? During the civil rights movements MKL outlined which laws and what circumstances had to change and it was obvious when they changed. This?...I have no clue.

I have several black friends and have honestly thought about bringing up the subject to see what their take is...what they see as the problem, how to quantify it and know when it's better. I hesitate because things are good. I don't want to alienate someone for a reason I don't even understand.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Because he' a dick?

Well that's what it looks like but I was thinking he might be praying .

I have skin in this game. 3 beautiful Mixed G-children that are the very best of all of us. I do not want them growing up in all this insanity. If there are serious problems beyond the idiocy I see and hear lets address them. Clarification of the list. Wait, I have seen no list just a lot of spin and agenda driven hype.

No CM that's not how any of this works . You see your NOT a person of color so there's no way you can possibly have any understanding or empathy . That's why I get PO'd about this GARBAGE .

I've lived with and around black folks ( in and out of Army) most of my life . My younger brother and sister are mixed , I've dated black girls (almost married one) but the world sees a white guy with a flat top so there's no way I can understand .

I'm just curious, how many of us here in INGO have had a cop point a firearm at them and survived the interaction? I have, 3 times. Each time I damn well did what I was told, answered their questions and ultimately was apologized to for my being delayed and went on about my business. Yes I'm Caucasian Irish Illinoisan, Floridian, Georgian, Oklahoman, Indiana(N), Kentuckian, et al-ian American.

Twice here , both before I was 22 . I "survived" because I did as I was I was told , funny how that works .

Anybody remember that " crazy " Russian general that predicted America would tear itself apart and become different regions ?


At the time everyone said it was BS , I'm thinking this kinda garbage is how that actually happens .

 

[GREEN607]

That's got to be a Johnny Bench quote.....

"I don't know WHAT you're supposed to be doing. But I can tell you're doing it all wrong."

 

[GREEN607]

I truly want an answer. I need clarification. I have conversations with so many people of color and I get no clear answers to what all this is really about. I get a lot of silly crap but nothing tangible. There is work. There are programs. There is education. There is medical. WTF. More than I have access to at times.

I do not want to start a dog pile and will not allow that to happen. I have skin in this game. 3 beautiful Mixed G-children that are the very best of all of us. I do not want them growing up in all this insanity. If there are serious problems beyond the idiocy I see and hear lets address them. Clarification of the list. Wait, I have seen no list just a lot of spin and agenda driven hype.

I agree, CM. I too need clarification. I have many black friends. I don't call them African-American, because they don't call me Irish-American. Their parents spent over two decades telling America to stop calling them negro and to call them 'black'. And I have spent my entire adult life trying to be 'non-discriminatory' in every way. We're all God's children. Heck I even wrote my HS senior year thesis on MLK Jr, and what a powerful, reverent and proper person and leader he was.

But WTF..... every day I hear people like Maxine Waters interrupting Senate proceedings, making fools of themselves on talk/news shows, etc..... screaming about "social injustice" in America. I say, those individuals should try living somewhere like Sudan, or Saudi Arabia..... and see what real social injustice is like.

 

[rhino]

The guy on the right is in respect....the fool kneeling to his right is looking at him like WTF as is the guy behind him.

Note that all of the coaches and support staff are all standing, respectfully, during the anthem.

I am really confused as to all these "Problem" they are protesting. Stop doing dumb **** and you stand a lot better chance of surviving. The rest I am just confused about.

Agreed.

here is more of the problem......

Spike Lee says Trump treats NFL owners like 'plantation owners' | Fox News

In my opinion, based on observations over the years, Spike Lee is genuinely a racist and an unpleasant human. He chooses to speak and act in ways that make whatever real problems that exist worse. He makes claims about problems that only exist in his narrow mind and by doing so, creates new problems and hostilities. I imply no sarcasm, irony, or humor in that statement.

 

[Beowulf]

I truly want an answer. I need clarification. I have conversations with so many people of color and I get no clear answers to what all this is really about. I get a lot of silly crap but nothing tangible. There is work. There are programs. There is education. There is medical. WTF. More than I have access to at times.

I do not want to start a dog pile and will not allow that to happen. I have skin in this game. 3 beautiful Mixed G-children that are the very best of all of us. I do not want them growing up in all this insanity. If there are serious problems beyond the idiocy I see and hear lets address them. Clarification of the list. Wait, I have seen no list just a lot of spin and agenda driven hype.

Well, while I can't speak for Kut or any football player, the way I see it is that despite a lot of the hard enforced institutional racism being "officially" struck from the books, the statistics still say otherwise:

All from this article

So, while we can all say that we live in a post-racial world and sing kumbaya, the hard facts say that if you are black in America, you are

A) more likely to be targeted by law enforcement than your white neighbors
B) more likely to be arrested for drug use than your white neighbors (despite studies showing that drug use itself is pretty consistent between all racial demographics except Asians)

http://archive.samhsa.gov/data/NSDU...les/NationalFindings/NSDUHresults2013.htm#2.7

C) more likely to be denied bail than your white neighbors
D) more likely to be given a much harsher sentence than your white neighbors

So, it's kind of hard to look at these statistics and say that America doesn't have a problem with race. And this is just dealing with a few statistics around our very flawed justice system.

Also, I've seen people, in high profile positions, screaming at the top of their lungs about these issues for decades. So I don't know how anyone who is even remotely paying attention can say that no one has provided a list of grievances.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Well, while I can't speak for Kut or any football player, the way I see it is that despite a lot of the hard enforced institutional racism being "officially" struck from the books, the statistics still say otherwise:

All from this article

So, while we can all say that we live in a post-racial world and sing kumbaya, the hard facts say that if you are black in America, you are

A) more likely to be targeted by law enforcement than your white neighbors
B) more likely to be arrested for drug use than your white neighbors (despite studies showing that drug use itself is pretty consistent between all racial demographics except Asians)

Results from the 2013 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

C) more likely to be denied bail than your white neighbors
D) more likely to be given a much harsher sentence than your white neighbors

So, it's kind of hard to look at these statistics and say that America doesn't have a problem with race. And this is just dealing with a few statistics around our very flawed justice system.

Also, I've seen people, in high profile positions, screaming at the top of their lungs about these issues for decades. So I don't know how anyone who is even remotely paying attention can say that no one has provided a list of grievances.

I'm not the Pope, but I don't find it THAT difficult to abstain from drugs and crime. Seems to be a pretty easy fix.

Does the American Institution perpetuate the gang culture of drugs and violence that seems to be made up of predominantly monitories?

Also, on that last graph? What do those percentages represent? Are those percentages of all drug use or percentages of each ethnicity? If I'm reading it correctly, it's saying that Blacks have the highest rate of drug use among all ethnicities despite only accounting for 10-15% of the population.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

The labels and name calling with no clear agenda to improve anything real. Just more of the same. To what end. I really want to know.

Just my opinion here. I think the labels and name calling are calculated specifically to cause as much harm, discord, and dissension as possible. Socialist/communist agitators feed a line of bull to people who, because of their own internal biases, eat it up. The division along racial and other lines is calculated to destroy our Western society so that another style of gov't can be implemented. See Rules for Radicals for an in-depth explanation.

Also in my opinion, the best cure is a free market society with Constitutional constraints on gov't. It's not perfect and that is why our Founding Fathers said it required constant vigilance and a moral people.

ETA: the seeds weren't just planted in the 50s by the Soviets, we've long had a small contingent of socialists/communists festering in our own country. The problem I think is that education has been sliding downward for decades...and once a certain sized foothold for these horrible ideas is gained, a synergistic effect takes over. Just as an example, politicians find it easier to get elected by engaging in division of various kinds, rather than by coming up with workable solutions to real problems or coming up with better ideas about how to do things. Politicians engaging in that stuff just makes things worse, positive feedback loop ensues.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not the Pope, but I don't find it THAT difficult to abstain from drugs and crime. Seems to be a pretty easy fix.

Does the American Institution perpetuate the gang culture of drugs and violence that seems to be made up of predominantly monitories?

This is what I'm talking about when I say people are dismissive. The disparity, "meh, you could fix that if you didn't do the crime," ....but if you do, expect a longer sentence.
And the others: disparity in jury selections, traffic stops completely ignored.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Just my opinion here. I think the labels and name calling are calculated specifically to cause as much harm, discord, and dissension as possible. Socialist/communist agitators feed a line of bull to people who, because of their own internal biases, eat it up. The division along racial and other lines is calculated to destroy our Western society so that another style of gov't can be implemented. See Rules for Radicals for an in-depth explanation.

Also in my opinion, the best cure is a free market society with Constitutional constraints on gov't. It's not perfect and that is why our Founding Fathers said it required constant vigilance and a moral people.

So wait, so now Kaepernick and the NFL kneelers are communists?.... guess we need to add that to thugs and SOBs.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

This is what I'm talking about when I say people are dismissive. The disparity, "meh, you could fix that if you didn't do the crime," ....but if you do, expect a longer sentence.
And the others: disparity in jury selections, traffic stops completely ignored.

Way to ignore the question

And I edited my initial post a couple times. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Has anyone done a study about traffic stops and detentions of black people relative to the race of the "offending" officer? Serious question. I have no doubt the charts presented above are likely correct. But what we don't know is when it comes to longer sentences for example, whether there were extenuating circumstances or mitigating circumstances that contribute to the observed disparities.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

So wait, so now Kaepernick and the NFL kneelers are communists?.... guess we need to add that to thugs and SOBs.

They are just one of many tools to bring down Western society. Rich, uneducated, useful idiots. The seeds for this were planted long ago. See Margaret Sanger. See Soviet subversion in the 50s. All of that keeps reseeding itself and mutating along the way. It took a while to get to this point. Looking at the current symptoms is simplistic.

Also, did you forget communist Rapone doing his clenched fist thing in solidarity with Kaepernick? Many distasteful black power organizations have elements of communism. That isn't an accident. Commies see an weakness in society and insert themselves into it to create problems. They don't actually care about race or anything else, they just see something to be exploited. Sometimes the exploited thing or person picks up elements of communism sometimes they don't. All of it however is a symptom. The real problems, which there are, can be solved much more effectively by working together within a free-market, capitalistic, Constitutional framework. It got us pretty darn far. Look at freedom and discrimination in communist countries and you will see they don't care about any of that, they just look for useful cracks to exploit. DPRK is fiercely racist for example.