Colin Kaepernick protests the Anthem

[Kutnupe14]

I just think it's pretty bush league for a guy who's done nothing meaningful in his life to publicly call out a decorated West Point grad for standing up for the anthem.

Say what? A poor straight A student, college biology grad, father of 3 from 1 wife, who turned down law school to take a $12K/yr job coaching, and then working his way up the ranks to become the youngest Super Bowl Winning coach. Tell me more about what makes life meaningful.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Every friend and even every acquaintance? Forgive me, if I think you are being hyperbolic, because it's either that you don't know many people. I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely, especially given that by the nature of someone being an acquaintance, you don't know them all that well.

Um, just between dad, uncles and cousins, I know 19 who served in the Army, Marines and Air Force (sorry Birds, no Navy ). To a man and woman, they were unanimous that Kaep's protest METHOD was disrespectful to the flag, the country and to them, individually. And, the reunion was about a month ago, so I'm sure the latest has them even more angry.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Um, just between dad, uncles and cousins, I know 19 who served in the Army, Marines and Air Force (sorry Birds, no Navy ). To a man and woman, they were unanimous that Kaep's protest METHOD was disrespectful to the flag, the country and to them, individually. And, the reunion was about a month ago, so I'm sure the latest has them even more angry.

Well, they should get used to see this type of display more often. Trump has hijacked the protest, and now people will be doing it out of opposition to him than for what it was originally intended.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Well, they should get used to see this type of display more often. Trump has hijacked the protest, and now people will be doing it out of opposition to him than for what it was originally intended.

Sure. And the people who wipe their a** with the flag for whatever reason should get used to more people voting for Trump because of them, not him.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Sure. And the people who wipe their a** with the flag for whatever reason should get used to more people voting for Trump because of them, not him.

I don't think there are MORE people for Trump to get to vote for him. Of that, I'm confident.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I don't think there are MORE people for Trump to get to vote for him. Of that, I'm confident.

Are you "98% Confident" (trademarked by the New York Times).

You still don't understand how and why he got elected in the first place.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Are you "98% Confident" (trademarked by the New York Times).

You still don't understand how and why he got elected in the first place.

I have my theories.

 

[bwframe]

...You still don't understand how and why he got elected in the first place.

A lot of them are never gonna get it.


What Happened

 

[HoughMade]

At a rally tonight Trump said any NFL player that doesn't stand for the Anthem should be fired.

I don't care what party you're from, calling for a private citizen to lose their job over their political beliefs is horse ****.

Dumb thing to say, agreed...but actions, not beliefs.

 

[d.kaufman]

I have my theories.

Please elaborate for us. Inquiring minds would like to know

 

[Kutnupe14]

Please elaborate for us. Inquiring minds would like to know

Nah, I'd rather not break INGO

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That's within the scope of the game. I really think that is apples and oranges when compared to a protest about a social issue and one conducted prior to the kickoff. I'm sure opinions on that will vary.

Technically yes, it's game action versus peripheral but the NFL owns both and they enact rules for both. There's a pattern emerging for when they squelch "free speech", when they allow highlighting a cause, and when they don't.

 

[jamil]

I just think it's pretty bush league for a guy who's done nothing meaningful in his life to publicly call out a decorated West Point grad for standing up for the anthem.

There's a narrower context here. Tomlin is speaking as his coach. And he has narrowed the context to what the team decided. In that context, if Tomlin said he'd support the team in whatever they decided to do as a team, and the team voted to stay in the locker room, and one of the teammates decided to do what he wanted anyway, the issue isn't over that teammate's past accomplishments. It's about his commitment to his team.

On the other hand, it's fair to say one's personal devotion to his country, and to a great extent, how he chooses to act on it, supersedes a football team. And that's the problem I have with how this has all played out. I think it was unwise, especially with such a divided vote, to hold everyone to the vote results. I can see it if there was a consensus, but there wasn't. The mistake I see from Tomlin is holding the team to it after seeing them so divided.

 

[jamil]

Well, they should get used to see this type of display more often. Trump has hijacked the protest, and now people will be doing it out of opposition to him than for what it was originally intended.

Kaep doomed the protest from the beginning. >70% thought it was disrespectful then. About the same number think it's disrespectful now. All Trump did was get people who still think it's disrespectful, to kneel as a middle finger to POTUS.

 

[MCgrease08]

Dumb thing to say, agreed...but actions, not beliefs.

That's a fair clarification.

 

[bwframe]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ors-stay-quiet-after-trump-s-call-for-boycott

...The National Football League and its 32 teams made $1.25 billion from corporate partners last year, according to sponsorship tracker ESP Properties. The list includes some of the advertising world’s biggest spenders. Visa Inc., Ford Motor Co., Nike Inc., Anheuser-Busch InBev, Microsoft Corp., McDonald’s Corp., PepsiCo Inc. and Bridgestone Corp. are among the league’s top-tier partners and almost all have remained silent on what was possibly the most political and polarizing Sunday in recent league history...

 

[jamil]

I have my theories.

No. It's got nothing to do with Nationalism or racism. It's that the politics went far beyond overton's window, and Trump was the recipient of a desire to move politics back into the acceptable range. Plus he faced the least electable candidate in my lifetime. But a lot of those voters are tiring of Trump's behavior. But unless there's a saner candidate (not socialist/marxist/gun-grabbing/crony) I'll be stuck voting for him again. For 2020, that's just not likely to happen. Dems will probably run Fauxcahontas.

A lot of them are never gonna get it.


What Happened

Don't get too cocky. Us pragmatic voters' loyalty isn't fierce and blind. I'll drop Trump like a used rubber if there's a viable, saner candidate running against him. It's mostly likely that there won't be, because the fruitloop leftists have overtaken the Democrats. They're incapable of electing anyone inside the window.

 

[Leadeye]

Sports are really nothing more than an obscenely expensive entertainment venue. The only money they get from me is from taxes, something I think the venue should be barred from doing. That said a lot of people enjoy it and don't mind shelling out cash to participate or buy endorsed products.

My take on players, coaches or owners opinions is about the same as actors, they're in the entertainment business.

Perhaps all of this could be resolved by going back to sports before 1918 and neither flying the flag at events or playing the national anthem at all.

 

[bwframe]

...I'll drop Trump like a used rubber if there's a viable, saner candidate running against him. It's mostly likely that there won't be...

Correct!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It'll be interesting to see if what's happened since mizzou went of the deep end when they bear hugged SJWism happens now to the NFL.

UPDATE: Two Years After Embracing Racial Protests, Mizzou Football Is A Dumpster Fire | Daily Wire