Exactly. The seed of Abraham isn't confined solely to Jews. Hence the song "Father Abraham." Rabbinic tradition says that Gods was only referring to the Jews, but scripture doesn't back that up. In fact scripture makes clear that being Jewish alone, does not qualify one. So it begs the question, are you willing to go with a tradition created by man, over rights to a land, than the scripture that seems to be contrary to it? Let me know if you need verses. I'm away from my laptop now.
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Christmas Message from Israeli PM Netenyahu
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Exactly. The seed of Abraham isn't confined solely to Jews. Hence the song "Father Abraham." Rabbinic tradition says that Gods was only referring to the Jews, but scripture doesn't back that up. In fact scripture makes clear that being Jewish alone, does not qualify one. So it begs the question, are you willing to go with a tradition created by man, over rights to a land, than the scripture that seems to be contrary to it? Let me know if you need verses. I'm away from my laptop now.
The Arab people are not the children of Ishmael. Even if they were, they would still have no claim to Israel because Ishmael was excluded by God Himself from having any part in the covenant made with Abraham. Isaac was the only heir of the Abrahamic covenant. Thus the Arabs as a people have no claim to the land of Israel.
The Muslims have no claim to the land of Israel either. Muhammad never went to Jerusalem except in a dream. The only ones with a spiritual and biblical claim to the land of Israel are the descendants of Isaac, the Jews.
The Muslims have no claim to the land of Israel either. Muhammad never went to Jerusalem except in a dream. The only ones with a spiritual and biblical claim to the land of Israel are the descendants of Isaac, the Jews.
I can agree that followers of Islam, ALSO, have no claim to Israel. So in that regard, their claim is just as strong as that of those who follow Judaism... in that both deny the divinity of Christ. I'm not disagreeing with you on that point.
When you guys get done with bible school debate hour, look up the King David Hotel. As much as I LIKE Netenyahu, I haven't trusted any Israeli government since '67. Sinking American ships for convenience doesn't sit well with me. As I learned more of the history, I developed a very different view of terrorism, and began to develop a very real lack of trust in governments in general. So, like it or not, a lot of what Kut says is correct. The big difference between myself and the rest of you is that I don't need a concordance to know that, in general, I like Israelis, but I distrust their government.
And THAT. Is wildly incorrect.
caverjamie
Sharpshooter
The Israeli government is not perfect. I agree that any government should be viewed suspiciously. I don't fault the Israelis for looking out for themselves, that's what governments do. We're no different, getting caught spying on our European "friends" and trying to secretly overthrow regimes we don't care for. If you point the finger at them, you have to point it at you/us as well.
Also, I don't think you can separate the country of Israel from biblical prophecy. Most of the Bible IS about the Jews and Israel, just the historical references and records contained in it are very valuable culturally. Show me another nation that was destroyed, its people scattered, and was reborn in a day, roughly 2500 years later. Heck, even their "dead" language was reborn. Merry Christmas indeed
Also, I don't think you can separate the country of Israel from biblical prophecy. Most of the Bible IS about the Jews and Israel, just the historical references and records contained in it are very valuable culturally. Show me another nation that was destroyed, its people scattered, and was reborn in a day, roughly 2500 years later. Heck, even their "dead" language was reborn. Merry Christmas indeed
Where else in the Middle East would the non-Jewish residents of Israel have as many rights and freedoms as they do in Israel? What other Middle Eastern country would even entertain the idea of accepting the Palestinians? Why should a people that fosters and promotes groups who openly deny the right of Israel to even exist be appeased? Do you really think they won't seek even more after such appeasement? How much of such appeasement will be enough? When dealing with a group that constantly wages war on its neighbors, isn't it preferable to most to deny them some rights instead of simply eliminating the problem?
hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
Yes, do it yesterday. then charge the UN rent until they leave. Oh, and since we're not the UN your diplomats and staff do not get diplomatic immunity
And each one of the red countries is a shining example of freedom and human rightsIf only that orange sliver were a little smaller, then there would be peace.
If only that orange sliver was completely gone, then there still wouldn't be peace.
FIFY... War is in their blood. If not the Jews, Christians. If not the Christians, <insert next infidel target>, rinse and repeat.
From : http://nypost.com/2016/12/28/kerrys-one-sided-self-serving-sermon-for-mid-east-peace/
"After eight years of Obama, genocide and wholesale slaughter are already rampant in Syria, Yemen, Libya and the rest of the Mideast. ISIS controls land and exports terrorists to Europe and America. Russia and China instill fear in their neighbors. Kim Jong Un’s nukes threaten US territory, and soon Iran will join him."
"So Obama rushes to put out a fire in the only place that isn’t burning at the end of his presidency."
"After eight years of Obama, genocide and wholesale slaughter are already rampant in Syria, Yemen, Libya and the rest of the Mideast. ISIS controls land and exports terrorists to Europe and America. Russia and China instill fear in their neighbors. Kim Jong Un’s nukes threaten US territory, and soon Iran will join him."
"So Obama rushes to put out a fire in the only place that isn’t burning at the end of his presidency."
hoosierdoc
Freed prisoner
Look, you're not an idiot. We al know that. Stop pretending and just play along with what you know darn well his point is. I am so freaking tired of the passive aggressive and subtle crap on here. If you can't be open and honest on a freaking internet board...
Look, you're not an idiot. We al know that. Stop pretending and just play along with what you know darn well his point is. I am so freaking tired of the passive aggressive and subtle crap on here. If you can't be open and honest on a freaking internet board...
Israel needs to figure out how to make a two state solution work, or admit that they are seeking an apartheid system. It's that simple.
Actually, this is what I'd do. I'd give them (the Palestinians) a nation, on a 25 year trial period (overseen by international monitors). During that time, Israel has the right to ignore the sovereignty of the nation if threatened. Any shenanigans go on, the IDF goes in, identifies the trouble makers, and either kills or impressions them for life. If after the 25 years, the Palestinians are still causing trouble the land reverts back to Israel. Simple, and no one can complain that they didn't try.
Nice Utopian plan, but could you imagine trying to reverse it after 25 years? Talk about holy poop flying around!!
