Black man shot in Kenosha, riots starting all over again...

[jamil]

I am in favor of all wealth being returned to the government upon death so everyone starts from square one. No one gets wealth handed to them based on another person's demise.After all if poverty cant be recognized as generational then neither should wealth.

If you want some else to have your stuff then give it to them before you die and the government takes it all.

Government forces me to give FICA to them in exchange for a return. It's a contract. I say we clamor to break that contract for spouses that did nothing to earn it. Let's end free handouts! Rally to the cause!

That's retarded too. Property belongs to the living, and while someone is living they have every right to design it to go to whomever they want.

About the social security, there's the model of the nuclear family where one spouse, usually the father, earns money, and the other spouse is responsible for tending to the home and family. That's a team effort. The spouse who is the homemaker has every bit the claim to the earner's resources. Social Security was designed for families, and at the time, that was the majority case. Now, if yer saying, **** families, you'll probably need to vote Democrat.

 

[larcat]

Right. That's what the factor of 2/factor of 5 bit is about. I think you're spot on about stop and frisk etc. We absolutely have an incarceration epidemic, and there's boat loads of stuff that can result in jail time (in all its forms) that probably shouldn't.

The stats do show one thing though -- regardless of the disproportionality, and regardless of the source of that, there isn't an epidemic of cops killing people. Given the amount of violent crime in the USA and total population N, there's no way to twist the stats into "police have open season" on anyone.

One of the complaints about the statistics from people who like to make it more of an issue of discrimination than it is, is that while white people are shot more, black people are disproportionately shot more. Someone posted a statistic maybe a couple of months ago, which broke down shootings per 100K encounters. I think for Blacks it was 3, and whites were 4. Still, pretty much the same, which implies that there isn't a racial component to the violence. It's that Black people have a disproportionate number of encounters with police compared with Whites. It's a reasonable case to make that at least some of the disproportionality of encounters can be explained by race and discrimination. Stop and frisk is an example. The point is that it's not true that when encounters turn violent it usually does not involve discrimination regardless of how it may feel to the party being arrested. I think they may feel a legitimate fear or disdain for police officers because of past discrimination, and programs like stop and frisk which disproportionately target black people. And that probably is a big motivation for having the **** 12 attitude. BLM and their cultural marxist propaganda does not help with a fuller view of reality either.

 

[chipbennett]

I am in favor of all wealth being returned to the government upon death so everyone starts from square one. No one gets wealth handed to them based on another person's demise.After all if poverty cant be recognized as generational then neither should wealth.

If you want some else to have your stuff then give it to them before you die and the government takes it all.

Government forces me to give FICA to them in exchange for a return. It's a contract. I say we clamor to break that contract for spouses that did nothing to earn it. Let's end free handouts! Rally to the cause!

Is this satire and I've missed it?

Pardon my language, but **** that. Hell no. I earned it, and therefore it is mine and I get to decide what to do with it. Socialism, especially in this form, is not immoral, as it is a violation of our God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Further, why would one assume that the government would be more fair or responsible or wise with the redistribution of my wealth than I would be? And why is it an ideal that "everyone starts from square one"? I'm working my ass off so that my children have every advantage I can possibly give them. The government forcibly taking some or all of those advantages away from them? Again: **** that.

 

[HoughMade]

Can't return something to the government that it never owned.

 

[foszoe]

That's uh...pretty retarded.

As much as saying Japanese sons and daughters of dead interned Japanese deserve no reparations? If so I'm ok with having retarded thoughts.

 

[foszoe]

Can't return something to the government that it never owned.

Should the government return things it took?

 

[printcraft]

Can't return something to the government that it never owned.

I can't get over someone thinking that government creates wealth.

 

[foszoe]

Is this satire and I've missed it?

Pardon my language, but **** that. Hell no. I earned it, and therefore it is mine and I get to decide what to do with it. Socialism, especially in this form, is not immoral, as it is a violation of our God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Further, why would one assume that the government would be more fair or responsible or wise with the redistribution of my wealth than I would be? And why is it an ideal that "everyone starts from square one"? I'm working my ass off so that my children have every advantage I can possibly give them. The government forcibly taking some or all of those advantages away from them? Again: **** that.

Turn that around if government or its policies kept you poor or made you that way are you entitled to any reparations?

 

[jamil]

I can't get over someone thinking that government creates wealth.

Or that it is the origin of everything one can own. That's some next level collectivism right there.

 

[foszoe]

I can't get over someone thinking that government creates wealth.

2ho said that. I am asserting the opposite.

 

[Alpo]

I’m alittle late to the discussion and this point may have been raised before but can anyone direct me to any statistical evidence depicting the attempted mass genocide of the black race when they are compliant with law enforcement?

I mean the Nazi/Jew comparison really is absurd IMO.

You miss the point. Compliance is no guarantee of responsible treatment in an authoritarian state.

 

[Alpo]

You do realize that most of the WWII generation was still alive when Reagan was president. If anyone from the civil war generation was still alive today, then maybe a discussion on reparations wouldn't be so laughable.

I'm on record that I'm not in favor of reparations for slavery pre 1865. And, by any stretch, much assistance has been rendered post 1963.

My point is valid in any case.

 

[Alpo]

Or that it is the origin of everything one can own. That's some next level collectivism right there.

Fractional banking. Econ 401.

 

[Tombs]

You miss the point. Compliance is no guarantee of responsible treatment in an authoritarian state.

Putting your hands behind your back after you assault someone and get tased twice is going to get you far more reasonable treatment than if you resist officers with guns drawn.

 

[chipbennett]

Turn that around if government or its policies kept you poor or made you that way are you entitled to any reparations?

A claim of tort requires proof. Show me someone with sufficient evidence that the government kept them poor or made them poor, and then we can talk about appropriate restitution for that person.

(Generalized claims of institutional racism, disparate outcomes, etc. do not suffice. Show specific evidence of specific government action against a specific person, that resulted specifically in causing or keeping someone poor.)

 

[Alpo]

Putting your hands behind your back after you assault someone and get tased twice is going to get you far more reasonable treatment than if you resist officers with guns drawn.

Now Blake assaulted the woman? That day?

The facts just keep rolling in.........

 

[BugI02]

You miss the point. Compliance is no guarantee of responsible treatment in an authoritarian state.

Wait, weren't Trayvon and Michael Brown killed under the most perfectest, most scandal-free and progressive administration possible? Or was the US authoritarian between Jan 2009 and Jan 2017

And if you insist we weren't under authoritarian rule then, how will you justify not blaming the administration in power

Is it 'USA Bad' rather than just 'Orange Man Bad' for you?

 

[Tombs]

Now Blake assaulted the woman? That day?

The facts just keep rolling in.........

Where do you think he got the keys to her car from?

She had a restraining order against him.

 

[Alpo]

The kitchen counter?

You are making a leap here that starts on soft soil.

ps. I've yet to see evidence of a knife.


Yes, there appears to have been an active restraining order. Yes, it appears that Blake should have been arrested.

No....I don't see why he merited 7 shots into his back.

 

[Tombs]

The kitchen counter?

You are making a leap here that starts on soft soil.

ps. I've yet to see evidence of a knife.

Wasn't he the one that said he had a knife?

Also how did he get into the house of someone who has a restraining order against him?