Beer Virus V

[dusty88]

Were you not cautioning me upthread that 90% efficacy still meant 10% were exposed? Would not the interaction between any two random individuals result in a 1% risk of new infection in that scenario? 1% of 331 million would seem to be a potential viral reservoir of 3+ million even at 100% compliance, would that not be sufficient to drive ongoing mutation (without even considering migration from other parts of the world)?

Yes, I don't know how much mutation it will take for a coronavirus to become resistant to a vaccine. But AIUI, the less replication the better.

I'm not saying don't get vaccinated, I'm just willing to let you go first.

I can relate to that. I'm not going to try to jump the line, but if no new concerns arise I'll take it when it's my turn.

I am uneasy when people will argue that herd immunity won't work but a vaccine will (although it would seem both rely on the same immune mechanisms)

The hope and expectation is that we get enough people vaccinated in combination with the previously-infected to produce herd immunity. Durability of immunity is obviously a question. What I'm seeing in the re-infection reports is that almost no one has a serious infection twice, so that's hopeful.

Edit: the arguments against herd immunity without a vaccine was that it would produce too much disease and death, and possibly even more economic damage in the process .

 

[JettaKnight]

Found this on The Onion:

[h=1]Jimmy Carter On Covid Vaccine: ‘There’s No Way In Hell I’m Letting Them Put That Thing In Me’[/h]

 

[nonobaddog]

[h=1]Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter encourage people to take COVID-19 vaccine[/h]https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/528681-carter-center-issues-statement-encouraging-people-to-take-covid-19-vaccine

[h=1]Jimmy Carter joins other ex-presidents encouraging COVID vaccine use[/h]https://www.ajc.com/news/jimmy-cart...covid-vaccine-use/DOQVPBAQ75ESTK42LN5NDFNCEQ/

 

[foszoe]

He lives in GA. Those are probably fake statements

 

[T.Lex]

Speaking of vaccines, the current exponential growth rate in deaths looks like it will continue through the new year.

Back in March-April, there was about 4-6 weeks of exponential growth of deaths, when this was pretty new and we didn't have great treatment options. It looks like we'll have that kind of extended run, with much higher numbers involved.

I think the only thing that will really interrupt that cycle is effective vaccination. We have too big of a population for it to burn out any time soon.

For as much as I'll probably avoid getting one right away, the sooner it gets here, the better. We may look back and say that - based on numbers - it got here in the nick of time.

And yes, JTscribe, that does sound like the setup to a solid zombie story.

 

[nonobaddog]

He lives in GA. Those are probably fake statements

Right, I spent most of a year at Ft Gordon in GA. I figure if America ever needs an enema they would stick it up GA.

 

[HoughMade]

Speaking of vaccines, the current exponential growth rate in deaths looks like it will continue through the new year.

Back in March-April, there was about 4-6 weeks of exponential growth of deaths, when this was pretty new and we didn't have great treatment options. It looks like we'll have that kind of extended run, with much higher numbers involved.

I think the only thing that will really interrupt that cycle is effective vaccination. We have too big of a population for it to burn out any time soon.

For as much as I'll probably avoid getting one right away, the sooner it gets here, the better. We may look back and say that - based on numbers - it got here in the nick of time.

And yes, JTscribe, that does sound like the setup to a solid zombie story.

Got a call today about another vaccine trial. Maybe third time's the charm.

If I go zombie, I will start a thread about it in the Break Room.

 

[BugI02]

Speaking of vaccines, the current exponential growth rate in deaths looks like it will continue through the new year.

Back in March-April, there was about 4-6 weeks of exponential growth of deaths, when this was pretty new and we didn't have great treatment options. It looks like we'll have that kind of extended run, with much higher numbers involved.

I think the only thing that will really interrupt that cycle is effective vaccination. We have too big of a population for it to burn out any time soon.

For as much as I'll probably avoid getting one right away, the sooner it gets here, the better. We may look back and say that - based on numbers - it got here in the nick of time.

And yes, JTscribe, that does sound like the setup to a solid zombie story.

Today's worldometers derived CFR is 1.94% (to three significant figures) down from 1.98% when I last calculated it 4 days ago

 

[T.Lex]

Got a call today about another vaccine trial. Maybe third time's the charm.

If I go zombie, I will start a thread about it in the Break Room.

That sounds like an SNL skit - zombified medmal lawyer.

Or a Stephen King story.

 

[T.Lex]

Yes, I don't know how much mutation it will take for a coronavirus to become resistant to a vaccine. But AIUI, the less replication the better.


I can relate to that. I'm not going to try to jump the line, but if no new concerns arise I'll take it when it's my turn.


The hope and expectation is that we get enough people vaccinated in combination with the previously-infected to produce herd immunity. Durability of immunity is obviously a question. What I'm seeing in the re-infection reports is that almost no one has a serious infection twice, so that's hopeful.

Edit: the arguments against herd immunity without a vaccine was that it would produce too much disease and death, and possibly even more economic damage in the process .

Some of the odd things I track in the spreadsheet include the percentage listed as "critical" who end up dying on a given day.

That's been tracking pretty consistently over time at about 7% (+/- 2%). Recently, that's jumped to 10%. Won't know for awhile if that is an anomaly or something, but it was surprising because we do seem to have better treatments. It seems like those treatments, though, are best used to keep someone from becoming "critical." Once a patient reaches that stage, it seems like there aren't great options to get back from that.

You (and others) are closer to that dynamic than me, so I'll defer to you on that.

 

[JettaKnight]

That sounds like an SNL skit - zombified medmal lawyer.

Or a Stephen King story.

Your Honor, I'm just a lawyer who craves the truth and braaaaaiiiinnnnnsssss.

 

[jamil]

Got a call today about another vaccine trial. Maybe third time's the charm.

If I go zombie, I will start a thread about it in the Break Room.

I dunno. Can zombies start threads? They don't seem to have sufficient dexterity to use a keyboard. But then I can sometimes get by posting with an iphone, so maybe it doesn't matter.

 

[JettaKnight]

I dunno. Can zombies start threads? They don't seem to have sufficient dexterity to use a keyboard. But then I can sometimes get by posting with an iphone, so maybe it doesn't matter.

You must be new to INGO.



I think it happened today - mod got a head shot on 'em.

 

[nonobaddog]

I dunno. Can zombies start threads? They don't seem to have sufficient dexterity to use a keyboard. But then I can sometimes get by posting with an iphone, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Zombies can do anything - they just make a donation to the clinton foundation along with their request and wahlah, it gets done.

 

[wagyu52]

Not for 1.5k! Pass on that.
But I do wonder at what price would you say yes.

I’m a farmer and deal with uncle sugar, his cash giveaways and big pharmaceuticals all the time. 1.5K isn’t enough for me to be a lab rat. l’m not anti vaccine but have seen plenty of failures in the herbicide/pesticide world to know that first one out of the gate isn’t always the best.

 

[wagyu52]

https://searchppp.com/

Follow the money

 

[Alpo]

Zombies can do anything - they just make a donation to the clinton foundation along with their request and wahlah, it gets done.

wahlah.

at's funny right there.

voila'

 

[DoggyDaddy]

wahlah.

at's funny right there.

voila'

Grammar Vichy...

 

[Alpo]

Grammar Vichy...

At's even funnier. And droll.

Extra points for originality!

 

[BigRed]

And the man standing up gets smacked for not staying in line for tyrannical mother ****ing sons of *****es...

https://www.theblaze.com/news/auton...utm_term=ACTIVE LIST - TheBlaze Breaking News


An interesting excerpt....

"This order simply says that they need to cease and desist," Lanza announced to a crowd of supporters. "Nowhere here is there an arrest warrant and nowhere here is anything about arresting anyone on their private property."
"So I'll ask, [and] you don't have to answer ... why was he arrested?" he said to the officers nearby. "I was told you would tell me why he was arrested and now I'm asking for that answer."

Place smells a bit more like the USSR with each passing day.

I saw an update on this tonight.

After being removed from the property in cuffs a couple of nights ago, the owner of Mac's Public House announced he spent the last two days in a diplomatic effort pleading with the mayor, governor and sheriff for help in finding a way to keep their business (and other small businesses) open.

That hasn't happened so Mac's Public House is now open and will not close.

Good for him!!!!

It's about time somebody starts taking a stand against these mother ****ers.