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[JCSR]

One thing that might prove reliable is if we had data on hospitalizations/deaths of people who've had covid a second time. The KY study suggests that of the people who had covid in 2020, the unvaccinated covid survivors were twice as likely to become infected than those who were vaccinated.

It was a very small group in the case evaluation, but it seems enough for the CDC to justify a policy of vaccinating even people who've had covid. I think I'd want to see it in a much wider group.

The Ky data doesn't jive with the rest of the world. Below is an article with way more info. But as INGO tradition I didn't read it all.

Update August 6: CDC has released a small analysis in Kentucky and indicated that it's proof that vaccines are more effective than natural immunity. Read the analysis here. According to CDC, among the reinfected sample, 20% had been fully vaccinated. Among those who had Covid and were not later reinfected, 66% were unvaccinated. "Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated."

Updated August 6: In Israel, more than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases. Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08...cine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/

 

[jamil]

The Ky data doesn't jive with the rest of the world. Below is an article with way more info. But as INGO tradition I didn't read it all.

Update August 6: CDC has released a small analysis in Kentucky and indicated that it's proof that vaccines are more effective than natural immunity. Read the analysis here. According to CDC, among the reinfected sample, 20% had been fully vaccinated. Among those who had Covid and were not later reinfected, 66% were unvaccinated. "Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated."

Updated August 6: In Israel, more than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases. Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08...cine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/

I've read the Sharyl Attkisson article before. It seemed very well sourced to me. I'd like to see some vaccine proponents here critique it, those who know a lot more about it than I do. But those who I don't think are full of ****. The couple or so people who I think are full of **** might already know who they are. The rest of INGO does.

 

[rooster]

The Ky data doesn't jive with the rest of the world. Below is an article with way more info. But as INGO tradition I didn't read it all.

None of the American data lines up with what the rest of the world is reporting....

 

[bobzilla]

The Ky data doesn't jive with the rest of the world. Below is an article with way more info. But as INGO tradition I didn't read it all.

Update August 6: CDC has released a small analysis in Kentucky and indicated that it's proof that vaccines are more effective than natural immunity. Read the analysis here. According to CDC, among the reinfected sample, 20% had been fully vaccinated. Among those who had Covid and were not later reinfected, 66% were unvaccinated. "Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated."

Updated August 6: In Israel, more than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases. Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08...cine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/

Kinda what I already figured. But gotta get the jab ya know?

 

[bobzilla]

None of the American data lines up with what the rest of the world is reporting....

I wonder why? Follow the money.

 

[actaeon277]

The moving goal posts in this whole covid deal makes you wonder if anybody really knows what is going on.

Does anybody know what time it is?
Does anyone really care?

 

[actaeon277]

I can't see demanding businesses suspend or fire people who don't get vaccinated. Everywhere I go in manufacturing in Indiana I see companies short of people, and really short of trained people. Sending trained people home when you can't even get the untrained to fill their positions is a good way to kill more US businesses and become more dependent on imports from china.

Exactly.

 

[rooster]

And Japan is now recommending ivermectin. Google is censoring it though.

tbh after doing some digging into cancer studies of heartworm meds, I wonder if the reason for the hit campaign on ivermectin is because it’s a cancer cure.Dad told me years ago that he knew people who took dog wormer for cancer and they swore it put them in remission after they had been given their end of life timeline. I always thought he was nuts.

One study linked below.

Ivermectin, a potential anticancer drug derived from an antiparasitic drug

Ivermectin has powerful antitumor effects, including the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity, in a variety of cancer cells. This may be related to the regulation of multiple signaling pathways by ivermectin through PAK1 kinase. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BigRed]

And Japan is now recommending ivermectin. Google is censoring it though.

tbh after doing some digging into cancer studies of heartworm meds, I wonder if the reason for the hit campaign on ivermectin is because it’s a cancer cure.Dad told me years ago that he knew people who took dog wormer for cancer and they swore it put them in remission after they had been given their end of life timeline. I always thought he was nuts.

One study linked below.

Ivermectin, a potential anticancer drug derived from an antiparasitic drug

Ivermectin has powerful antitumor effects, including the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity, in a variety of cancer cells. This may be related to the regulation of multiple signaling pathways by ivermectin through PAK1 kinase. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There is no money in a cure for cancer; only in the "search" for a cure.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[d.kaufman]

Seen Rice University, which has a 98.5% vaccination rate as well as mask mandates has gone to online school due to a bunch of "breakthrough" cases.

Them vaccine and mask mandates are sure doing wonderfully

 

[foszoe]

There is no money in a cure for cancer; only in the "search" for a cure.

The company that makes a cure will make money.

 

[actaeon277]

The company that makes a cure will make money.

Yes it will. People forget that.

 

[bobzilla]

Seen Rice University, which has a 98.5% vaccination rate as well as mask mandates has gone to online school due to a bunch of "breakthrough" cases.

Them vaccine and mask mandates are sure doing wonderfully

It's that 1.5% not vaccinated making everyone sick. Haven't you been listening to the "news"?

 

[nonobaddog]

Seen Rice University, which has a 98.5% vaccination rate as well as mask mandates has gone to online school due to a bunch of "breakthrough" cases.

Them vaccine and mask mandates are sure doing wonderfully

This is a false alarm. Their so-called "breakthrough" cases were mostly due to faulty testing. They will be resuming classroom attendance soon.

https://coronavirus.rice.edu/news/covid-19-response-weekly-update-august-22

 

[d.kaufman]

This is a false alarm. Their so-called "breakthrough" cases were mostly due to faulty testing. They will be resuming classroom attendance soon.

https://coronavirus.rice.edu/news/covid-19-response-weekly-update-august-22

That's even funnier

 

[JCSR]

 

[jamil]

And Japan is now recommending ivermectin. Google is censoring it though.

tbh after doing some digging into cancer studies of heartworm meds, I wonder if the reason for the hit campaign on ivermectin is because it’s a cancer cure.Dad told me years ago that he knew people who took dog wormer for cancer and they swore it put them in remission after they had been given their end of life timeline. I always thought he was nuts.

One study linked below.

Ivermectin, a potential anticancer drug derived from an antiparasitic drug

Ivermectin has powerful antitumor effects, including the inhibition of proliferation, metastasis, and angiogenic activity, in a variety of cancer cells. This may be related to the regulation of multiple signaling pathways by ivermectin through PAK1 kinase. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's a bit misleading. Japan is not recommending Ivermectin. A chairman of a Japanese medical association recommended that the Japanese government approve it for covid use. But the Japanese government has not approved it, and likely will not approve it until clinical trials going on in Japan are completed.

 

[chipbennett]

Absolutely

Please - please - say that this was purple-implied.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

That's a bit misleading. Japan is not recommending Ivermectin. A chairman of a Japanese medical association recommended that the Japanese government approve it for covid use. But the Japanese government has not approved it, and likely will not approve it until clinical trials going on in Japan are completed.

Sounds like Japan takes their approval process a lot more serious than we do. Don’t they know they could just have the head of ivermectin join their federal drug administration and get it approved? Rookies.