Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[jsx1043]

I remember hearing about the last time the government handed out free stuff... I don't need a (security) blanket now either.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

 

[IndyDave1776]

Can't find anything on this from the FDA.

Y'all are really gonna be shocked when you find out it's allowed in food and drink at certain levels!!

Also reminds me...you folks ever heard of Flint??

You just go suck down all the lead you want. I'm not joining you.

 

[semperfi211]

We got the vaccine because we like to go to the DR. But it looks like it can still be a little risky.

North Carolina couple stuck in the Dominican Republic after vaccinated wife tests positive for COVID-19

BOILING SPRINGS, N.C. (FOX 46 CHARLOTTE) – A Boiling Springs couple is stuck in the Dominican Republic and can’t get back home because the wife tested positive for COVID-19, even though she h…

myfox8.com

 

[printcraft]

We got the vaccine because we like to go to the DR. But it looks like it can still be a little risky.

North Carolina couple stuck in the Dominican Republic after vaccinated wife tests positive for COVID-19

BOILING SPRINGS, N.C. (FOX 46 CHARLOTTE) – A Boiling Springs couple is stuck in the Dominican Republic and can’t get back home because the wife tested positive for COVID-19, even though she h…

myfox8.com

But she is a nurse and is fully vaccinated preventing her from ever getting the china virus.
How could she have the china virus?
This makes no sense at all.

 

[JCSR]

But she is a nurse and is fully vaccinated preventing her from ever getting the china virus.
How could she have the china virus?
This makes no sense at all.

Unless we've been lied to. No, no you can trust the government. No worries

 

[avboiler11]

Absolutely nobody should be surprised there are breakthrough infections; we've been told since Pfizer was first EUA'd in December that this would happen.

Breathless local media stories notwithstanding, breakthroughs are very much the exception and not the rule.

 

[mbills2223]

You just go suck down all the lead you want. I'm not joining you.

You misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm not interested in consuming large quantities of it, just that it's not unusual for small quantities of otherwise toxic substances to be found in things we ingest. I'm not even saying it's right or okay, just that it is not unusual.

 

[Ingomike]

You misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm not interested in consuming large quantities of it, just that it's not unusual for small quantities of otherwise toxic substances to be found in things we ingest. I'm not even saying it's right or okay, just that it is not unusual.

Agree, there once was, and probably still is, a standard for quantity of rat hair allowed in a box of cornflakes...

 

[JettaKnight]

Unless we've been lied to. No, no you can trust the government. No worries

No one said you can't get COVID after being vaccinated. In fact, it was plainly stated that you could.

 

[JCSR]

No one said you can't get COVID after being vaccinated. In fact, it was plainly stated that you could.

Shouldn't you be on your vaccine route?

 

[JettaKnight]

Shouldn't you be on your vaccine route?

Shouldn't you be in your echo chamber?

 

[mbills2223]

Agree, there once was, and probably still is, a standard for quantity of rat hair allowed in a box of cornflakes...

Nom nom

 

[printcraft]

Shouldn't you be on your vaccine route?

Gives a whole new meaning to giving a shot in the butt...

 

[JCSR]

Gives a whole new meaning to giving a shot in the butt...

 

[printcraft]

Unless we've been lied to. No, no you can trust the government. No worries

Whoopsie...

 

[HoughMade]

Absolutely nobody should be surprised there are breakthrough infections; we've been told since Pfizer was first EUA'd in December that this would happen.

Breathless local media stories notwithstanding, breakthroughs are very much the exception and not the rule.

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Wait...you mean to tell me that vaccines that are 94% effective are NOT 100% effective? I've been lied to!

 

[idkfa]

Absolutely nobody should be surprised there are breakthrough infections; we've been told since Pfizer was first EUA'd in December that this would happen.

Breathless local media stories notwithstanding, breakthroughs are very much the exception and not the rule.

This is correct (no sarcasm).
Side effects, however, also include death, so nobody should also be surprised that people died from the vaccine.

It seems that the conversation in the public square has devolved into this:

• One side points out that vaccines are poorly studied and yet rolled out en mass and do not confer complete protection.
• The other side points out that the side effects are rare and breakthrough infections are inevitable and par for the course.

Both sides are correct -- but, as usual, to a degree.
This a problem that exists in a complex gray context, and yet implies only two outcomes: to vaccinate or not (well, at least for now it's still a choice).
And as usual, the discussion has been turned into an argument between the blind and the deaf (by and large).

The most fundamental questions are:
1) Do we need the vaccine at all?
2) If so, who needs the vaccine?
3) Is the vaccine sufficiently safe?
4) Are there any other factors that need to be taken into consideration?

In my professional opinion, the answers are:

1. With an overall survival rate of ~99.8%, this disease is of low risk to the population overall.
   Moreover, there are efficacious preventative and early treatment solutions in the form of various combinations of proven, well-established drugs and food supplements (HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, AZT, Zinc, etc.).
   These combinations (anywhere from 3 to 8 drugs) have been successfully used in multiple double-blind randomized controlled trials as well as by many doctors who relied on the then-current state of medical research and used their best judgment.
   
   
2. COVID-19 is extremely amenable to risk management.
   We know exactly who is at which risk, and there's a relatively small group of people that probably should get vaccinated.
   The vast majority of people are emphatically not at risk -- especially not children.
   
   
3. Several things to consider about the safety profile:
   1. The vaccine is an investigational drug substance (that is the official FDA terminology) distributed under the emergency use authorization.
   2. The EUA has been granted after ~2 months of safety and efficacy data have been accumulated.
   3. Typically, to be approved, a vaccine manufacturer must accumulate 2 years' worth of data.
   4. In the clinical trial which was used to issue the EUA, Pfizer used 17,511 and 17,411 people in the vaccinated and placebo groups (for the primary endpoint).
      Out of those 34,922 people, a total of 170 got COVID-19 (as per the FDA definition of a positive PCR test plus one of the typical common cold symptoms or loss of taste or loss of smell) and only 10 cases of severe COVID-19.
      Based on 170 people out of about 35 thousand developing COVID-19, 160 million doses have been administered.
   5. Very similar numbers were observed in the Moderna clinical trial.
   6. Currently, the VAERS database has over 4,800 deaths associated with COVID-19 vaccines in the US for the first 5 months of 2021.
      For the previous decade, there were ~1,500 deaths associated with all vaccines administered in the US.
      
4. Absolutely every aspect of the official stance on the coronavirus situation does not make sense or is downright in the realm of the dereliction of duty.
   • The official policy prescribed doing nothing until you need to go to the ICU.
     Survival rate in the ICU on a ventilator is ~10%.
   • Zuckerberg talked to Fauci about vaccine development at the end of February 2020 (when the general public was reassured everything's fine and there were barely any cases in the US).
   • Fake paper in Lancet tanked HCQ distribution and studies -- and even when it was uncovered as fake, HCQ had been sufficiently demonized.
   • Lab origin of coronavirus was taboo.
   • Using their best medical judgment was verboten for doctors under the threat of loss of job or imprisonment (depending on the country).
   • The public square was sanitized by the Big Tech.
   • Masks. F***ing masks. No masks, yes masks, yes double masks, there's no evidence on double masks, but no, still wear two masks.
     And ultimately it turns out that in a private email, Dr. Fauci laid out a compelling case against the use of masks by the general public (so the interview on 60 minutes was not a ploy to prevent people from hoarding masks).
   • Vaccinate everyone at any cost.
     Including children (not part of the original trial).
     Including pregnant women (not part of the trial).
     Free donuts.
     Free burgers.
     Lottery enrollment.
     115 million dollars in cash prizes in California.
   • Inconvenient science was ignored.
     Inconvenient facts were ignored.
     Inconvenient states were ignored.
   • The swine flu vaccine rollout was halted after just 25 deaths in 1976.

It appears, that most doctors forgot the oath they swore:
Above all, do no harm.
Cure if you can.
Care for always.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

This is correct (no sarcasm).
Side effects, however, also include death, so nobody should also be surprised that people died from the vaccine.

It seems that the conversation in the public square has devolved into this:

• One side points out that vaccines are poorly studied and yet rolled out en mass and do not confer complete protection.
• The other side points out that the side effects are rare and breakthrough infections are inevitable and par for the course.

Both sides are correct -- but, as usual, to a degree.
This a problem that exists in a complex gray context, and yet implies only two outcomes: to vaccinate or not (well, at least for now it's still a choice).
And as usual, the discussion has been turned into an argument between the blind and the deaf (by and large).

The most fundamental questions are:
1) Do we need the vaccine at all?
2) If so, who needs the vaccine?
3) Is the vaccine sufficiently safe?
4) Are there any other factors that need to be taken into consideration?

In my professional opinion, the answers are:

1. With an overall survival rate of ~99.8%, this disease is of low risk to the population overall.
   Moreover, there are efficacious preventative and early treatment solutions in the form of various combinations of proven, well-established drugs and food supplements (HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, AZT, Zinc, etc.).
   These combinations (anywhere from 3 to 8 drugs) have been successfully used in multiple double-blind randomized controlled trials as well as by many doctors who relied on the then-current state of medical research and used their best judgment.
   
   
2. COVID-19 is extremely amenable to risk management.
   We know exactly who is at which risk, and there's a relatively small group of people that probably should get vaccinated.
   The vast majority of people are emphatically not at risk -- especially not children.
   
   
3. Several things to consider about the safety profile:
   1. The vaccine is an investigational drug substance (that is the official FDA terminology) distributed under the emergency use authorization.
   2. The EUA has been granted after ~2 months of safety and efficacy data have been accumulated.
   3. Typically, to be approved, a vaccine manufacturer must accumulate 2 years' worth of data.
   4. In the clinical trial which was used to issue the EUA, Pfizer used 17,511 and 17,411 people in the vaccinated and placebo groups (for the primary endpoint).
      Out of those 34,922 people, a total of 170 got COVID-19 (as per the FDA definition of a positive PCR test plus one of the typical common cold symptoms or loss of taste or loss of smell) and only 10 cases of severe COVID-19.
      Based on 170 people out of about 35 thousand developing COVID-19, 160 million doses have been administered.
   5. Very similar numbers were observed in the Moderna clinical trial.
   6. Currently, the VAERS database has over 4,800 deaths associated with COVID-19 vaccines in the US for the first 5 months of 2021.
      For the previous decade, there were ~1,500 deaths associated with all vaccines administered in the US.
4. Absolutely every aspect of the official stance on the coronavirus situation does not make sense or is downright in the realm of the dereliction of duty.
   • The official policy prescribed doing nothing until you need to go to the ICU.
     Survival rate in the ICU on a ventilator is ~10%.
   • Zuckerberg talked to Fauci about vaccine development at the end of February 2020 (when the general public was reassured everything's fine and there were barely any cases in the US).
   • Fake paper in Lancet tanked HCQ distribution and studies -- and even when it was uncovered as fake, HCQ had been sufficiently demonized.
   • Lab origin of coronavirus was taboo.
   • Using their best medical judgment was verboten for doctors under the threat of loss of job or imprisonment (depending on the country).
   • The public square was sanitized by the Big Tech.
   • Masks. F***ing masks. No masks, yes masks, yes double masks, there's no evidence on double masks, but no, still wear two masks.
     And ultimately it turns out that in a private email, Dr. Fauci laid out a compelling case against the use of masks by the general public (so the interview on 60 minutes was not a ploy to prevent people from hoarding masks).
   • Vaccinate everyone at any cost.
     Including children (not part of the original trial).
     Including pregnant women (not part of the trial).
     Free donuts.
     Free burgers.
     Lottery enrollment.
     115 million dollars in cash prizes in California.
   • Inconvenient science was ignored.
     Inconvenient facts were ignored.
     Inconvenient states were ignored.
   • The swine flu vaccine rollout was halted after just 25 deaths in 1976.

It appears, that most doctors forgot the oath they swore:
Above all, do no harm.
Cure if you can.
Care for always.

I gave you a "Like" for your post, but also for using a Doom cheat code for your username (full ammo).

 

[idkfa]

I gave you a "Like" for your post, but also for using a Doom cheat code for your username (full ammo).

Thanks!