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    jamil

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    Nothing personal, my friend. I'm just telling you what you are gonna end up with, as the result of your own behavior. I apologize, if you are somehow offended by that.

    Lotta of "us" trashed our own for months on end, fueling the enemy and disillusioning those on our side. Then justified helping to lose it for us by "but I voted for the guy." Richard Murdock was another fine example of us eating our own in that same manner.

    "But, but, but...

    ...I voted for the guy."


    Again, I apologize, if that's hard for you to hear.

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    This is nonsense. So your contention is that we should never criticize anyone on our side. Dude, this is how you get corruption. Look the other way because you can't criticize our own. Nah. **** that. Like I said. If I have to vote for the pornstar ****er again, I'll do it if that's the only choice. But I'd damn sure like a better choice. I really don't understand why that sentiment upsets you guys so much.

    So let me ask this. Let's say Trump and Desantis square off in the primaries, and somehow Desantis wins. Will you vote in the general election? Write in Trump? Or vote for Desantis?
     

    KG1

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    Nothing personal, my friend. I'm just telling you what you are gonna end up with, as the result of your own behavior. I apologize, if you are somehow offended by that.

    Lotta of "us" trashed our own for months on end, fueling the enemy and disillusioning those on our side. Then justified helping to lose it for us by "but I voted for the guy." Richard Murdock was another fine example of us eating our own in that same manner.

    "But, but, but...

    ...I voted for the guy."


    Again, I apologize, if that's hard for you to hear.

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    Where did I tell anyone not to vote for Trump because of his personality? To the contrary. I'm openly advocating that they should vote for him because of his proven positive policies that are good for this country.

    Also, can it with the condescending backhanded apologies.
     
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    jamil

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    Maybe you should try reading some of my other posts where I repeatedly said that I have voted for Trump based on his policies and I highly encourage others to do so that can't seem to get past voting for him because they don't like his personality.

    Oh and I'm telling you right now you need to step the **** off with the personal attack. Seriously.
    I don't think that's possible. People are so invested in the Trump personality that if you levy fair criticisms against him, you're insulting them. I really don't know how else to explain how this all blew up because some people dared to criticize Trump for anything.
     

    jamil

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    You had, what - 15 other choices in 2016 when he was a completely unknown quantity. Why couldn't any of them put him on the trailer?

    Could it be a significant portion of the electorate sensed that they were retreads? More of the same old same old? I assume you thought you had some better choices than Trump that time, where are they now?

    I will never understand people who place outsized importance in having a president who acts in ways they FEEL are presidential. That is how you got Obama twice, not a president just played one on TV

    You gotta take the bitter with the sweet. I thought you were married, you should know this (I bet your wife does)
    If the primaries were all on the same day, Trump would have lost. His support was middle tier. But he played the game very well and won the way you win primaries. So I disagree that the people chose Trump. He was about all that was left standing in the end. It's the only way a guy like Trump wins something like this.

    As far as overestimating the importance of having a POTUS who acts "presidential", I'll have to agree with you on that. "Presidential" is a nebulous term. I think a Democrat must have thought of that. It's like their wet dream of "Camelot". I don't care if the President acts "Presidential". I'd kinda like him to be consistent, trustworthy in office, and make policies that I like. Being NOT a pornstar ****er is just cake these days I guess.
     

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    :popcorn:

    Nope. Not jumping in.
    Probably a good idea. A lot of bad behavior was at hand. Some rabid Trump supporter blew a gasket and was demanding that a reasonable objective Trump voter should toe the line and “STFU” and worship at the feet of Donald Trump.

    "You need to STFU and show some respect for Donald Trump" says he. Not a pretty sight. :nono:

    Hopefully some outsiders that might’ve been lurking who were maybe on the fence about voting for Trump didn’t witness that behavior and say. “That’s just unhinged. If all Trump supporters are like that then maybe I might want to rethink getting on board.”

    Anyway this past two time Trump voter will still be voting for DT if he is the nominee and will not be deterred regardless of witnessing that. I will be voting based upon his past proven policies that were for the vast majority a hellava lot better for the prosperity of the country than the train wreck we currently have occupying the WH.
     
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    Probably a good idea. A lot of bad behavior was at hand. Some rabid Trump supporter blew a gasket and was demanding that a reasonable objective Trump voter should toe the line and “STFU” and worship at the feet of Donald Trump.

    "You need to STFU and show some respect for Donald Trump" says he. Not a pretty sight. :nono:

    Hopefully some outsiders that might’ve been lurking who were maybe on the fence about voting for Trump didn’t witness that behavior and say. “That’s just unhinged. If all Trump supporters are like that then maybe I might want to rethink getting on board.”

    Anyway this past two time Trump voter will still be voting for DT if he is the nominee and will not be deterred regardless of witnessing that. I will be voting based upon his past proven policies that were for the vast majority a hellava lot better for the prosperity of the country than the train wreck we currently have occupying the WH.

    Hopefully cooler heads will prevail here from now on and the personal attacks will end before the mods come in and start cracking heads.
    I'm still trying to wrap my head around "You need to STFU and show some respect..." What? You mean like, "kiss the ring?"

    It's a worldview completely foreign to me. I don't understand having such undying, blind devotion to a person just because he's on my "side". Is Trump the golden calf? :dunno:

    Anyway, yeah, I can't say I'm supporting Trump out of the box. I still like Desantis better. It's almost like Trump, but with some self-control. And no porn star ****ing as far as we know. But if that's who wins the nomination, he's better and more trustworthy, despite his lack of self control, than any Democrat.
     

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    I'm still trying to wrap my head around "You need to STFU and show some respect..." What? You mean like, "kiss the ring?"

    It's a worldview completely foreign to me. I don't understand having such undying, blind devotion to a person just because he's on my "side". Is Trump the golden calf? :dunno:

    Anyway, yeah, I can't say I'm supporting Trump out of the box. I still like Desantis better. It's almost like Trump, but with some self-control. And no porn star ****ing as far as we know. But if that's who wins the nomination, he's better and more trustworthy, despite his lack of self control, than any Democrat.
    I will be showing some respect to Donald Trump if he is the nominee by continuing to vote for his polices that were guiding this nation on the path to prosperity regardless of my opinions about any personal behavior.

    Like I said before proven policies that are for the betterment will always take precedence with me.
     
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    I voted for Trump both times and in the primaries because I was willing to gamble on an unknown rather than keep the same old stuff. He's not a populist at heart, he's a New York values real estate tycoon, in that respect his primary opponents were accurate. That said, his policies of America first appealed to me having spent years watching this country's wealth and position dissipated by leadership that only saw itself as players on a world stage and not as representative of Americans. I think his love of the attention helped him embrace populism and made the dc establishment fear him much like the cavaliers feared Cromwell. I've always felt that if he had won a second term, the dc establishment would have simply had him assassinated.

    When you position yourself between powerful people and what they want, they get rid of you, the only difference in that game are the stakes.
     

    KG1

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    Here's another video blast from the past along the same lines while we're at it. Seems to me that if this were anyone else a certain avid Trump supporter would've been vehemently railing against anyone who took these kinds of positions. "This is a predominant 2A forum" says he. "We should not be putting up with those who would take a position that runs contrary to our 2nd Amendment and due process rights and who also disrespects the NRA!"

    I guess it applies to anyone except Donald Trump that is.

     
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    Beastmodeski

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    I liked trumps policies but hated who he surrounded himself around and appointed. He really seemed for America first, economy n jobs were great! but not sure if he will win the second bid, his tweeting really turned a lot of people off. Like to see Desantis win.
     

    Ingomike

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    I am worn out by the weak sensitive types that claim to have voted for Trump but just love to tell you everything they find distasteful, perfectly mimicing the corporate media that is against America first. There are a bunch of you guys that all stand in a circle jerk saying “I voted for Trump because I like his policies, but he is so icky” like it is new that the elected types are whacked out.

    There are issues that rise above the 2A, national debt, and illegal immigration, and that is saving the country itself, if we do not save the country itself those issues are are moot…
     

    Beastmodeski

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    I am worn out by the weak sensitive types that claim to have voted for Trump but just love to tell you everything they find distasteful, perfectly mimicing the corporate media that is against America first. There are a bunch of you guys that all stand in a circle jerk saying “I voted for Trump because I like his policies, but he is so icky” like it is new that the elected types are whacked out.

    There are issues that rise above the 2A, national debt, and illegal immigration, and that is saving the country itself, if we do not save the country itself those issues are are moot…
    I don’t think anyone thought he is a great upstanding individual, his life and reality show proved it, hell the left praised him, until he became president. He’s more democratic then traditional republican. But the left eats their own. I never voted for him because I like who he was, I voted for him because he was the best option by putting America first and Myself and the country benefited from his policies. I actually liked him more after being president then before. Problem is he was demonized by the left and a lot of people on the fence were swayed by all the propaganda.
     

    Ingomike

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    I don’t think anyone thought he is a great upstanding individual, his life and reality show proved it,
    This demonstrates a contrivance the corporate media has cooked up to hold against conservatives. The conservatives candidate is heavily criticized for not living up to the goals of conservatives and conservatives are made to feel bad for supporting candidates that do not live up to those values. While the leftist candidate has no values to live up too…
     

    Beastmodeski

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    This demonstrates a contrivance the corporate media has cooked up to hold against conservatives. The conservatives candidate is heavily criticized for not living up to the goals of conservatives and conservatives are made to feel bad for supporting candidates that do not live up to those values. While the leftist candidate has no values to live up too…
    Your right they don’t have any values unless it’s pushing a false narrative to take away our rights. It’s just how far crazy left can they go until people say no and they they take a little farther.
     
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