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The Younger/Dryas comet impact crater found...How old is civilization??
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indiucky
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[h=1]From Vilified to Vindicated: the Story of Jacques Cinq-Mars[/h][h=2]How a toxic debate over the first Americans hobbled science for decades.[/h]
[video]https://www.hakaimagazine.com/features/vilified-vindicated-story-jacques-cinq-mars/[/video]
[video]https://www.hakaimagazine.com/features/vilified-vindicated-story-jacques-cinq-mars/[/video]
Of course they are, the "humans rape and pillage the earth" narrative has been around for a long time and has been used in pursuit of many Leftist goals. The similar "blame man as hunters for killing off animal species" is a favorite of the animal rights type.
The few remaining holdouts on the "Blitzkrieg" theory are the same scientists pushing man made climate change....They seem to have a hard time accepting that life can be tough on this fragile sphere spinning around in space and that we are not the biggest threat...
We are told that the Chicago Fire of 1871 was caused by "Ms O'Leary's cow knocking over a lamp..." Funny thing is when these fires took place? Astronomers were keeping an eye on a comet who's tale passed through our orbit....
Ms O'Leary's cow sure got around huh?
The comet theory from Chicago Now.....
Could a comet have caused the Great Chicago Fire of 1871? | Chicago Weather Watch
Ms O'Leary's cow.....AKA Split Comet Biela....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biela's_Comet
It's all about who has the best press coverage.
indiucky
Grandmaster
Yes sir....I am a nerd on such things...The copper mines were up in Michigan IIRC......
indiucky
Grandmaster
This story just broke yesterday....The naysayers were poo pooing folks saying that folks had knowledge of the stars and constellations even 10,000 years ago...Then some scientists in Turkey showed that one of the Gobekli tepe pillars had scorpio and taurus on it.....They were soundly criticized....
And then just yesterday we found out 30,000 year old cave paintings showed the same knowledge....This was a good time in history to start this thread...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181127111025.htm
[FONT=&]Some of the world's oldest cave paintings have revealed how ancient people had relatively advanced knowledge of astronomy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The artworks, at sites across Europe, are not simply depictions of wild animals, as was previously thought. Instead, the animal symbols represent star constellations in the night sky, and are used to represent dates and mark events such as comet strikes, analysis suggests.
They reveal that, perhaps as far back as 40,000 years ago, humans kept track of time using knowledge of how the position of the stars slowly changes over thousands of years.
The findings suggest that ancient people understood an effect caused by the gradual shift of Earth's rotational axis. Discovery of this phenomenon, called precession of the equinoxes, was previously credited to the ancient Greeks.
Around the time that Neanderthals became extinct, and perhaps before humankind settled in Western Europe, people could define dates to within 250 years, the study shows.
The findings indicate that the astronomical insights of ancient people were far greater than previously believed. Their knowledge may have aided navigation of the open seas, with implications for our understanding of prehistoric human migration.
Researchers from the Universities of Edinburgh and Kent studied details of Palaeolithic and Neolithic art featuring animal symbols at sites in Turkey, Spain, France and Germany.
They found all the sites used the same method of date-keeping based on sophisticated astronomy, even though the art was separated in time by tens of thousands of years.
Researchers clarified earlier findings from a study of stone carvings at one of these sites -- Gobekli Tepe in modern-day Turkey -- which is interpreted as a memorial to a devastating comet strike around 11,000 BC. This strike was thought to have initiated a mini ice-age known as the Younger Dryas period.
They also decoded what is probably the best known ancient artwork -- the Lascaux Shaft Scene in France. The work, which features a dying man and several animals, may commemorate another comet strike around 15,200 BC, researchers suggest.
The team confirmed their findings by comparing the age of many examples of cave art -- known from chemically dating the paints used -- with the positions of stars in ancient times as predicted by sophisticated software.
The world's oldest sculpture, the Lion-Man of Hohlenstein-Stadel Cave, from 38,000 BC, was also found to conform to this ancient time-keeping system.
This study was published in Athens Journal of History.
Dr Martin Sweatman, of the University of Edinburgh's School of Engineering, who led the study, said: "Early cave art shows that people had advanced knowledge of the night sky within the last ice age. Intellectually, they were hardly any different to us today.
"These findings support a theory of multiple comet impacts over the course of human development, and will probably revolutionise how prehistoric populations are seen."
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And then just yesterday we found out 30,000 year old cave paintings showed the same knowledge....This was a good time in history to start this thread...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181127111025.htm
[FONT=&]Some of the world's oldest cave paintings have revealed how ancient people had relatively advanced knowledge of astronomy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The artworks, at sites across Europe, are not simply depictions of wild animals, as was previously thought. Instead, the animal symbols represent star constellations in the night sky, and are used to represent dates and mark events such as comet strikes, analysis suggests.
They reveal that, perhaps as far back as 40,000 years ago, humans kept track of time using knowledge of how the position of the stars slowly changes over thousands of years.
The findings suggest that ancient people understood an effect caused by the gradual shift of Earth's rotational axis. Discovery of this phenomenon, called precession of the equinoxes, was previously credited to the ancient Greeks.
Around the time that Neanderthals became extinct, and perhaps before humankind settled in Western Europe, people could define dates to within 250 years, the study shows.
The findings indicate that the astronomical insights of ancient people were far greater than previously believed. Their knowledge may have aided navigation of the open seas, with implications for our understanding of prehistoric human migration.
Researchers from the Universities of Edinburgh and Kent studied details of Palaeolithic and Neolithic art featuring animal symbols at sites in Turkey, Spain, France and Germany.
They found all the sites used the same method of date-keeping based on sophisticated astronomy, even though the art was separated in time by tens of thousands of years.
Researchers clarified earlier findings from a study of stone carvings at one of these sites -- Gobekli Tepe in modern-day Turkey -- which is interpreted as a memorial to a devastating comet strike around 11,000 BC. This strike was thought to have initiated a mini ice-age known as the Younger Dryas period.
They also decoded what is probably the best known ancient artwork -- the Lascaux Shaft Scene in France. The work, which features a dying man and several animals, may commemorate another comet strike around 15,200 BC, researchers suggest.
The team confirmed their findings by comparing the age of many examples of cave art -- known from chemically dating the paints used -- with the positions of stars in ancient times as predicted by sophisticated software.
The world's oldest sculpture, the Lion-Man of Hohlenstein-Stadel Cave, from 38,000 BC, was also found to conform to this ancient time-keeping system.
This study was published in Athens Journal of History.
Dr Martin Sweatman, of the University of Edinburgh's School of Engineering, who led the study, said: "Early cave art shows that people had advanced knowledge of the night sky within the last ice age. Intellectually, they were hardly any different to us today.
"These findings support a theory of multiple comet impacts over the course of human development, and will probably revolutionise how prehistoric populations are seen."
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[FONT=&]Story Source:
Materials provided by University of Edinburgh. Note: Content may be edited for style and length.
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[FONT=&]Journal Reference:
- Martin B. Sweatman, Alistair Coombs. Decoding European Palaeolithic art: Extremely ancient knowledge of precession of the equinoxes. Athens Journal of History, 2018 [link]
indiucky
Grandmaster
Gobekli Tepe Vulture stone......
Keep in mind only 10 percent of Gobekli Tepe has been excavated...Ground penetrating radar shows that 90 percent is still underground...I wonder what else it will reveal?
Keep in mind only 10 percent of Gobekli Tepe has been excavated...Ground penetrating radar shows that 90 percent is still underground...I wonder what else it will reveal?
indiucky
Grandmaster
Eskimo's mined fragments of the meteorite to make iron tools 300 years before before Norsemen made it to Greenland....
Here is the Perry expedition bringing the fragment to the USA for the Natural History Museum....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ned-giant-space-rocks-make-tools-weapons.html
Here is the Perry expedition bringing the fragment to the USA for the Natural History Museum....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ned-giant-space-rocks-make-tools-weapons.html
indiucky
Grandmaster
Well that's been a fun rabbit hole.....
https://eos.org/articles/miners-left-pollution-trail-great-lakes-6000-years-ago
indiucky
Grandmaster
indiucky
Grandmaster
That's kind of what I figured....That sucker must've been huge.....
Hey Indy
1. How did hunter gathers mine unbelievable amounts of copper 6500-7500 years ago ?
2. Did a industrialized civilization live in North America ?
3. How did the copper from Michigan end up in Europe ?
This theory has infuriated many people in the academic world.
1. How did hunter gathers mine unbelievable amounts of copper 6500-7500 years ago ?
2. Did a industrialized civilization live in North America ?
3. How did the copper from Michigan end up in Europe ?
This theory has infuriated many people in the academic world.
They are estimating at 1/2 mile wide to produce the Greenland crater with a force of 47 million Hiroshiman bombs, or about 705,000 megatons. That seems plenty to melt a whole lot of ice and start a lot of fires. The Tzar Bomba, for example, is a 50-100 megaton bomb.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...tools-found-algeria-could-upend-human-origin/
Someone needs to ask if these were the tools CM learned on.
Again, not the same time period as what indi started the thread about, but just another example of how there's a bunch of information we're missing (or just getting wrong) about human development. And Denisovan. And neanderthal.
Someone needs to ask if these were the tools CM learned on.
Again, not the same time period as what indi started the thread about, but just another example of how there's a bunch of information we're missing (or just getting wrong) about human development. And Denisovan. And neanderthal.
indiucky
Grandmaster
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...tools-found-algeria-could-upend-human-origin/
Someone needs to ask if these were the tools CM learned on.
Again, not the same time period as what indi started the thread about, but just another example of how there's a bunch of information we're missing (or just getting wrong) about human development. And Denisovan. And neanderthal.
CM's first 1911 build...
They did some experimental anthropology using Neanderthal tools, which were considered less effective than the tools of our ancestors and it turned out they were actually way better in actual use than ours....delicate is not always better it seemed....
https://scienceline.org/2011/03/are-you-smarter-than-a-neanderthal-toolmaker/
indiucky
Grandmaster
The Shipping of Michigan Copper across the Atlantic in the Bronze Age (Isle Royale and Keweenaw Peninsula, c. 2400BC-1200 BC)
Summary
What are the latest findings on proof of early Norse copper mining in Michigan ?
From : “Rocks & Rows – Sailing Routes Across the Atlantic and the Copper trade. Jay Stuart Wakefield, co author, with Reinoud M. De Jonge,
The Shipping of Michigan Copper across the Atlantic in the Bronze Age
(Isle Royale and Keweenaw Peninsula, c. 2400 BC-1200 BC)
Isle Royale and the Keweenaw Peninsula remained high ridges of volcanic basalt. The scraping and digging by the glaciers, followed by surface exposure of the hardest material, the metal, was followed by sluicing of the land by glacial mel****ers. This left many mineral nodules of all sizes on the surface, in the huge pine forests. This was called “float copper”, as it appeared that it had “floated” to the surface. Nodules of copper were discovered shining in the surf along the shores of Isle Royale
...the major source of the copper that swept through the European Bronze Age after 2500 BC is unknown. However, these studies claim that the 10 tons of copper oxhide ingots recovered from the late Bronze Age (1300 BC) Uluburun shipwreck off the coast of Turkey was “extraordinarily pure” (more than 99.5% pure), and that it was not the product of smelting from ore. The oxhides are all brittle “blister copper”, with voids, slag bits, and oxides, created when the oxhides were made in multiple pourings outdoors over wood fires. Only Michigan Copper is of this purity, and it is known to have been mined in enormous quantities during the Bronze Age.
Indian legends tell the mining was done by fair-haired “marine men.” Along with wooden tools, and stone hammers, a walrus-skin bag has been found. A huge copper boulder was found in the bottom of a deep pit raised up on solid oak timbers, still preserved in the anaerobic conditions for more than 3,000 years. Some habitation sites and garden beds have been found and studied. It is thought that most of the miners retired to Aztalan (near Madison, Wisconsin) and other locations to the south at the onset of the hard winters on Lake Superior. The mining appears to have ended overnight, as though they had left for the day, and never came back. A petroglyph of one of their sailing ships has been found...
Now that's interesting...And what about the "cocaine mummy" in Egypt???? How about Indiana hornstone flint being found in Southern France and Spain???
Some scientists were researching the Solutrean hypothesis on the peopling of America and were looking at artifacts in a museum....One of them noticed our distinct flint in two of the tools...He asked, "Have you located the flint mine for this stone?" The other scientist said, "No...Just these two tools were found with it and we have never seen this color flint before..." The American looked at him and said, "It's from Harrison/Crawford county in Indiana and Meade County Kentucky..."
Here is some information on the Michigan Copper found in the Mediterranean that Brad is referring to....This thread was worth starting just to get Finnegan posting!!!!
https://grahamhancock.com/wakefieldjs1/
