The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[Kutnupe14]

I rest my case.

You were apparently born well after the heyday of Big Hair bands.

 

[jbombelli]

[video=youtube_share;wJ5ReXpgKAw]http://youtu.be/wJ5ReXpgKAw[/video]

 

[jamil]

Breaking: in a series of tweets, Justin Amash says impeach.

Yeah. Sure. Trump did some ****ty things. Worthy of impeachment? I think the bar needs to be set very high to reach the point of impeachment, so that things like this aren’t politicized. ****ty things should be decided at the polls.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Breaking: in a series of tweets, Justin Amash says impeach.

Yeah. Sure. Trump did some ****ty things. Worthy of impeachment? I think the bar needs to be set very high to reach the point of impeachment, so that things like this aren’t politicized. ****ty things should be decided at the polls.

Too early for impeachment, maybe. But if you listen to a younger version of Lindsay Graham, then Trump probably should be impeached.

In other news, what do ya'll think about the most recent, and possibly forthcoming, pardons? Sure, it's settled that it's in his ability to do so, but pardoning guys for war crimes or because they wrote a book about you? Meh.

 

[jamil]

It’s different from how most presidents pardon unsavory people. Obama. Bush. Clinton... At least they had the moral sense to wait until their last days in office.

 

[printcraft]

Breaking: in a series of tweets, Justin Amash says impeach..

Question, not directed at you, just for my information...
Who the hell is Justin amash and why are we supposed to give a **** about his opinion over any other person on the planet?

 

[Kutnupe14]

It’s different from how most presidents pardon unsavory people. Obama. Bush. Clinton... At least they had the moral sense to wait until their last days in office.

Presidents are going to pardon unsavory people. It happens. I'm actually more concerned about pardons that have enduring effect on an institution (i.e. military). The president pardoned a guy who killed a suspected.... I'll say that again SUSPECTED terrorist that allegedly planted a roadside bomb and killed serval GIs. Was it the guy, probably, but they didn't have enough evidence to hold him. So he was ordered to be cut loose. Well the pardoned person in question, took the suspected terrorist out into the boonies, had him strip naked, and decided to interrogate him. Suspected terrorist ends up dead. How does one reconcile pardoning such a person?

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...-former-us-soldier-who-killed-iraqi-prisoner/

 

[Phase2]

Question, not directed at you, just for my information...
Who the hell is Justin amash and why are we supposed to give a **** about his opinion over any other person on the planet?

He is a never-Trumper Republican congressman who's been in a muti-year verbal feud with Trump. He's thinking of running in 2020 as a Libertarian. Naturally, as a Republican, this draws lot of PR from the MSM. You can expect to see him on Sunday morning and other talk shows.

 

[jamil]

The term "nevertrumper" is retarded. Probably anti-trump is more descriptive.

 

[d.kaufman]

Meanwhile the European Union is trying to push gun control on the Swiss

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/...ke-william-tell-defiance-potential-gun-rules/

 

[printcraft]

He is a never-Trumper Republican congressman who's been in a muti-year verbal feud with Trump. He's thinking of running in 2020 as a Libertarian. Naturally, as a Republican, this draws lot of PR from the MSM. You can expect to see him on Sunday morning and other talk shows.

Ah, a nobody then. 10-4

 

[jamil]

Presidents are going to pardon unsavory people. It happens. I'm actually more concerned about pardons that have enduring effect on an institution (i.e. military). The president pardoned a guy who killed a suspected.... I'll say that again SUSPECTED terrorist that allegedly planted a roadside bomb and killed serval GIs. Was it the guy, probably, but they didn't have enough evidence to hold him. So he was ordered to be cut loose. Well the pardoned person in question, took the suspected terrorist out into the boonies, had him strip naked, and decided to interrogate him. Suspected terrorist ends up dead. How does one reconcile pardoning such a person?

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...-former-us-soldier-who-killed-iraqi-prisoner/

Go through the list of people presidents have pardoned. You'll find equivalents all else equal. I think the moral position is to oppose all of them rather than singling out one because it happens to be a president you hate that did the pardoning.

 

[jamil]

Meanwhile the European Union is trying to push gun control on the Swiss

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/...ke-william-tell-defiance-potential-gun-rules/

I wonder if the Swiss will have the balls to tell the EU to **** all the way off.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Go through the list of people presidents have pardoned. You'll find equivalents all else equal. I think the moral position is to oppose all of them rather than singling out one because it happens to be a president you hate that did the pardoning.

Ok, I more than willing to blame the liberal media for not covering such instances when they occurred under Obama or Clinton... but I'm completely ignorant to an equivalent instance. That said if you could direct me to such and instance, or anybody, I would like to see it. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around a soldier disobeying a direct order, stripping a guy down, and eventually killing him, being pardonable. It's a war crime, and does a disservice to all the honorable men and women in the service that do things the right way.

 

[Phase2]

The term "nevertrumper" is retarded. Probably anti-trump is more descriptive.

Seems like the perfect description. What's the problem?

 

[nonobaddog]

When I was working in Germany I spent several weekends with friends in Zurich.
He had a SIG SG 510 in a closet and back then he had ammo for it too. He wouldn't sell it to me though.

 

[nonobaddog]

Pardoned, commuted or rescinded setences of convicted criminals.
Gerald Ford - 409
Jimmy Carter - 566
Ronald Reagan - 406
George HW Bush - 77
Bill Clinton - 459
George W Bush - 200
Barach Obama - 1,927
Donald Trump - 11 (as of July 10, 2018)

 

[Kutnupe14]

Pardoned, commuted or rescinded setences of convicted criminals.
Gerald Ford - 409
Jimmy Carter - 566
Ronald Reagan - 406
George HW Bush - 77
Bill Clinton - 459
George W Bush - 200
Barach Obama - 1,927
Donald Trump - 11 (as of July 10, 2018)

Uhhh.... a cursory look tells me that list is incorrect. Wildly incorrect.

 

[Phase2]

Uhhh.... a cursory look tells me that list is incorrect. Wildly incorrect.

Those numbers are consistent with Wikipedia. The only obvious error I could find is that Trump's list of 11 is through 5/16/19.

 

[nonobaddog]

Uhhh.... a cursory look tells me that list is incorrect. Wildly incorrect.

I don't personally keep track of such things. The numbers are straight from wikipedia. You can go there and get a list of names, dates, crimes, etc. if you care to. What numbers are you disputing?