Tactical Response at it again. Dangerous and Unprofessional ?

[The Bubba Effect]

Southnarc shows a transition to backup gun while retaining his primary. No guns dropped here.

 

[bobzilla]

[video=youtube;AiyLXgEbhQw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiyLXgEbhQw[/video]

Pincus is dropping an unloaded gun onto a cardboard pad and it ends up on the deck pointing towards him. Get your pitchforks!

So, can you show me where in these vids they then stomp on the guns and grind them into the dirt loaded? I watched both multiple times and have yet to see that happen. I have to have missed it in them both because there's no way you'd pull a straw man on us now just to defend an idol.

 

[bobzilla]

Nope - clean shaven and proudly so!

So I was right, you CAN'T handle the beard!lol

 

[The Bubba Effect]

So, can you show me where in these vids they then stomp on the guns and grind them into the dirt loaded? I watched both multiple times and have yet to see that happen. I have to have missed it in them both because there's no way you'd pull a straw man on us now just to defend an idol.

Easy bob, I'm against grinding the gun into the dirt.

 

[Expatriated]

Easy bob, I'm against grinding the gun into the dirt.

I think everyone is. Funny how it keeps coming up.

 

[SteveM4A1]

Why did he do this outside a shooting bay also?

To Yeager's credit, his response video did have a couple of good points.

 

[bobzilla]

Easy bob, I'm against grinding the gun into the dirt.

OK, then dropping a loaded gun? because while the vids you provided are cool and all, they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[chezuki]

OK, then dropping a loaded gun? because while the vids you provided are cool and all, they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Try to keep up. I think most of us are against the stomp and grind that resulted in the ND. Some of us are responding to this:

And where does "dropping your gun" fit into "fighting pistol"? Isn't that contradictory?

 

[bobzilla]

So we're changing the narrative to fit our needs? Got to "win" at something? I guess I don't get it.

 

[chezuki]

I don't get it.

This is apparent.

 

[actaeon277]

So, I took my Process Meter (which is pitted/gouged/melted) and threw it on the ground.
When my boss looked at me, I told him, if I'm not willing to throw it on the ground, I'm not doing my job enough.
He mumbled something about taking $800 out of my paycheck for it and firing me.
I don't know, I stopped listening to him.
If I listen to my boss, the next thing you know, they'll expect it all the time.

 

[Woobie]

So we're changing the narrative to fit our needs? Got to "win" at something? I guess I don't get it.

Having reached a consensus on gun-stomping, the discussion has shifted to the other element of the actions of the instructor, i.e., "The Drop." This really wouldn't qualify as a narrative change.

The point of contention is whether the never-was types who are telling us to drop our guns like the defenders of the Maginot Line are correct or not. The main argument for dropping at this point seems to be a mixture of claiming fuddism on the part of the opposition, and the perceived tactical advantages of losing positive control of your firearm. Also, it would appear the never-was types are extremely cool, ergo, their opinions hold great weight.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Bob, I'm not trying to "win" this conversation. I'm trying to decide if I should change how I practice.

Right now I drop my main gun if I have to quickly transition to my bug. I also think it is reasonable to have people drop their loaded handgun intentionally to help them get over the urge to try to catch their handgun if they fumble their draw.

I guess that point hits kind of close to home with me as one time I lost my grip on a handgun and "juggled it" trying to catch it. Trying to catch the gun was not safe at all and it made an impression on me that I needed to break myself of trying. I posted the videos to see if people's objection was to dropping the gun at all, dropping the loaded gun, or just Yeager. I also posted the Southnarc .pdf because he does not teach to drop the gun while drawing the bug and he seems to make sense in what he does.

 

[MohawkSlim]

Am I the only one that throws an emptied gun at the target?

 

[churchmouse]

Am I the only one that throws an emptied gun at the target?

No....that might be a different drill........

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Am I the only one that throws an emptied gun at the target?

You and Rookie might be the only ones to admit it. I throw paperweights at the target. I would throw ninja throwing stars at the target, but throwing stars are illegal in Indiana so I only have paperweights.

 

[Rookie]

I going to practice a new skill.

1. Fire my pistol until it's empty.
2. Execute a Hondo roll.
3. Aim for the throat as I throw my empty pistol.
4. Reverse Hondo roll.

Hopefully, Printcraft can video so Kirk can critique me.

Am I the only one that throws an emptied gun at the target?

 

[actaeon277]

Am I the only one that throws an emptied gun at the target?

If you're not, then you're not training.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

[video=youtube;W4S9fGq8-K8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4S9fGq8-K8[/video]

Again, dropping a presumably unloaded gun, if that matters, which I suspect it might if we did not always treat all guns as if they were loaded.

 

[actaeon277]

[video=youtube;eBWyTojsoOs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBWyTojsoOs[/video]