Bunnykid68
Grandmaster
Do you have a puppy too?Can I touch it? I have candy.
Do you have a puppy too?Can I touch it? I have candy.
1}you say he was a police officer.was in in uniform?
if yes the way i see it he did not need to.
at that time you should have showed your permit
not asked if you were detained. then it probably would not have escalated
thats my
All I'm saying is that if you take the short drive across state lines into IL you have no right to defensively carry a firearm, it is a privelesge to be allowed to carry. I wasn't saying that these actions alone got some politician riled up, but that voters who may have leaned towards gun rights may be more apt to vote against gun owners when they encounter situations like these. I'm certainly not going to walk down the street carrying a huge box of sudafed wearing an "I heart Meth" t-shirt and expect that no LEO's will go out of their way to talk to me, it just comes with the territory of drawing needless attention to yourself. ( just to clear up for the ones that take everything so litterally here I'm not likening legal gun owner to meth cooks, just making a point here: kind of ridiculous I even have to explain but I've already had some of the fine folks here doing this type of thing). Read the whole thing people don't just pick and choose a couple words here and there and add your own context!
I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Paul Blart to our forum.
My van is big, I have all kinds.
Do you have a puppy too?
I guess the fact that you cannot carry a firearm everywhere you go in the US is irrelevant somehow.
The Constitution codified a right that existed before our country was formed, the right to keep and bear arms. Arguably, that means unrestricted (or infringed) carry. That's the starting point.
Also if an LTCH is a right[It's not, it's an infringement], why must you apply[infringement], go through background investigation[infringement], be fingerprinted[infringement], prove that you are mentally competent to posses a handgun[infringement], be fingerprinted[infringement], show the permit to LEO's and other appropriate authorities[infringement], and are able to have that license revoked[infringement]?See a pattern here?
[STRIKE]If you don't have a permit you do not posses the right to carry in our state plain and simple. If you do not have a LTCH then are still allowed to own firearms, but cannot legally carry them OC or CC. What other "Constitutional Rights" do you have to have a valid permit for? Again like I said in my last post and apparently I didn't go into to enough detail, I'm not comparing gun owners to meth heads....only the issue of unnecessary attention. Sudafed and anything I put on a t-shirt is perfectly legal (because I have a valid freedom of speech permit).[/STRIKE]
My point was that drawing the attention to yourself ( in the OP's case by not complying with the security and police officer) How was he not complying? See Below. and then being upset that it caused a scene. Sometimes you have to ask does the good outweigh the bad. OP chose to stand up for his rights, and was in turn challenged by officers trying to sort things out
[What's to sort out? Security asks him to leave, he's leaving. The entire episode should be over at that point.]
, if the path of resistance he chose causes "a huge scene" or some type of embarrassment, then that's the outcome, whereas the path of less resistance[which path of less resistance would like like us to take? "Papiere, Bitte."] may have avoided the whole scene to begin with.... I can't believe that things have to be broken down barney style every time for some people.
I'm ASS-U-ME'ing this portion of the OP's story is correct with this quote.The OP said:He then told me I could give him the gun or leave, I looked at my wife who was done putting him up and asked her if she was ready and she said she was so I told the guard that I was leaving the building.
...I can't believe that things have to be broken down barney style every time for some people.
I guess the fact that you cannot carry a firearm everywhere you go in the US is irrelevant somehow. Also if an LTCH is a right, why must you apply, go through backround investigation, be fingerprinted, prove that you are mentally competant to posses a handgun, be fingerprinted, show the permit to LEO's and other appropriate authorities, and are able to have that license revoked? If you don't have a permit you do not posses the right to carry in our state plain and simple. ........ What other "Constitutional Rights" do you have to have a valid permit for? .......only the issue of unnecessary attention.......... Sometimes you have to ask does the good outweigh the bad........... if the path of resistance he chose causes "a huge scene" or some type of embarrassment, then thats the outcome, whereas the path of less resistance may have avoided the whole scene to begin with.... .
...I know that in a strictly "proper" sense it does make a difference between calling it a right or a privilege or a infringement or whatever label you want to put on it. But in all practicality it's all the same. Some people are comfortable with drawing attention to themselves and dealing with those aspects and some are not. It doesn't make one right and the other wrong. Of course both are legal. Argue all you want and rationalize it however you want, but when you choose to confront authority then you have to deal with all that entails. It doesn't make it wrong but the fact is you will have to deal with it.
I've followed this thread from the beginning but can't remember (and don't want to go back thru it all) if the OP said whether or not he knew what hospital policy was regarding carry.
... just against their non posted rules...
I think most of you guys would argue about hanging a horsethief with a new rope. I know that in a strictly "proper" sense it does make a difference between calling it a right or a privilege or a infringement or whatever label you want to put on it. But in all practicality it's all the same. Some people are comfortable with drawing attention to themselves and dealing with those aspects and some are not. It doesn't make one right and the other wrong. Of course both are legal. Argue all you want and rationalize it however you want, but when you choose to confront authority then you have to deal with all that entails. It doesn't make it wrong but the fact is you will have to deal with it.
I've followed this thread from the beginning but can't remember (and don't want to go back thru it all) if the OP said whether or not he knew what hospital policy was regarding carry.
How would I know what their rules/policies are? They only have "no smoking" signs
LMAO I wonder if my Lightsaber is banned as well?
LMAO I wonder if my Lightsaber is banned as well?
I hate no smoking signs. I actually have one on my office door that simply says " SMOKING"How would I know what their rules/policies are? They only have "no smoking" signs
Willy, tell your boss Keith that he needs to call me ASAP. I have been waiting for him to return my messages all week. If he wont talk to me then I will be forced to go over his head and I would rather keep this at the department level and hopefully they can take care of this issue.
Thanks,
your friend Ben
LOL you bet!Good name.