Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[Route 45]

And yet he keeps on threatening nukes and having his forces 'threaten'.

So does Kim Jong Un. So what? Blah, blah, blah.

So again, what do you think would be the proper type of response to this incident.

 

[actaeon277]

So does Kim Jong Un. So what? Blah, blah, blah.

So again, what do you think would be the proper type of response to this incident.

We wouldn't NEED to respond.
If we didn't have a spineless nothing followed by other spineless nothings.
I am blaming the NEED of any response on him, and them.

 

[Route 45]

We wouldn't NEED to respond.
If we didn't have a spineless nothing followed by other spineless nothings.
I am blaming the NEED of any response on him, and them.

Remind me who was President when Iran shot down one of our drones in international airspace in 2019.

 

[actaeon277]

Remind me who was President when Iran shot down one of our drones in international airspace in 2019.

You must be assuming I loved that guy for this argument to work.

 

[Route 45]

You must be assuming I loved that guy for this argument to work.

With apologies to Tina Turner...what's love got to do with it?

 

[jamil]

Remind me who was President when Iran shot down one of our drones in international airspace in 2019.

Remind me why that matters? We’re talking about this idiot. Not that one.

 

[Route 45]

Remind me why that matters? We’re talking about this idiot. Not that one.

Maybe you can tell me...what should this idiot do about the drone?

 

[indyartisan]

Create a new bureau and appoint a Gender Czar to determine the drones proper pronouns?

 

[rob63]

I know this won't be a very popular opinion, but to me the Russians shooting down an unmanned drone over the Black Sea is no different than us shooting down a Chinese Spy Balloon over the Atlantic Ocean or Canada. The Black Sea is their backyard, not ours. If we want to fly something there to spy on them, fine, but no crying foul if they take it out even if it is technically over international waters. A balloon over the Great Lakes was considered just as much fair game. We had to fly it over somebody else's country to get it there in the first place.

 

[Wolfhound]

US video shows moment Russian fighter jet collides with US drone

The U.S. European Command released video footage Thursday showing two Russian fighter jets encountering a MQ-9 drone that plummeted into the Black Sea.

www.foxnews.com

Decent video of the collision including a still shot of the damaged propeller.

Ivan would never lie would he?

 

[Wolfhound]

Would you judge the threat level of 'Death to America' differently if JoePedo was the one saying it?

Oh, wait - he already is. Just not in so many words

I consider the current idiots in charge to be a larger threat than the Iranian government either thru damaging policies, complete incompetence or something more sinister.

 

[oze]

I know this won't be a very popular opinion, but to me the Russians shooting down an unmanned drone over the Black Sea is no different than us shooting down a Chinese Spy Balloon over the Atlantic Ocean or Canada. The Black Sea is their backyard, not ours. If we want to fly something there to spy on them, fine, but no crying foul if they take it out even if it is technically over international waters. A balloon over the Great Lakes was considered just as much fair game. We had to fly it over somebody else's country to get it there in the first place.

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A couple of *minor* differences. The balloon was in US airspace when it was shot down. The drone was over international water. One is in violation of international law, the other isn't.

 

[oze]

US video shows moment Russian fighter jet collides with US drone

The U.S. European Command released video footage Thursday showing two Russian fighter jets encountering a MQ-9 drone that plummeted into the Black Sea.

www.foxnews.com

Decent video of the collision including a still shot of the damaged propeller.

Ivan would never lie would he?

It's got to be either Ukraine's, NATO's or America's fault.

 

[Ark]

I know this won't be a very popular opinion, but to me the Russians shooting down an unmanned drone over the Black Sea is no different than us shooting down a Chinese Spy Balloon over the Atlantic Ocean or Canada. The Black Sea is their backyard, not ours. If we want to fly something there to spy on them, fine, but no crying foul if they take it out even if it is technically over international waters. A balloon over the Great Lakes was considered just as much fair game. We had to fly it over somebody else's country to get it there in the first place.

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I basically agree. We're all playing a game here. Drones aren't manned and shooting one down isn't killing or capturing a pilot. They're expendable hardware and the bar for shooting one down is lower. The drone is a military asset being used to support lethal operations against Russian personnel in Ukraine and the Black Sea. We wouldn't hesitate to shoot down a similar asset in a US combat theater.

That said this wasn't even a shootdown. Some pilot was trolling it with fuel dumps and messed up.

 

[BugI02]

What is the proper response? And not defending Milley, but if you were the general at the podium, would you be giving the press (and the rest of the world) our strategy?

Milley would instead call the PLA and give them a private briefing on our strategy (as he has in the past)

 

[BugI02]

As far as all out war with Russia, what happens if both sides believe the other will pull back from the brink and either both are wrong or an unintended incident happens

What would have happened in 1962 if the Russians had decided to run the Cuban Naval blockade because they were certain we would back down? No one knows for sure, but everyone was staring into the abyss. What might have happened if a US captain prosecuted an attack against a Russian sub or said sub attacked a US surface warfare ship

MAD requires stable, realist leaders able to dispassionately assess a situation in order to work. Pretty sure we don't have that. Probably should cancel Archduke Ferdinand's travel plans

 

[Wolfhound]

As far as all out war with Russia, what happens if both sides believe the other will pull back from the brink and either both are wrong or an unintended incident happens

What would have happened in 1962 if the Russians had decided to run the Cuban Naval blockade because they were certain we would back down? No one knows for sure, but everyone was staring into the abyss. What might have happened if a US captain prosecuted an attack against a Russian sub or said sub attacked a US surface warfare ship

MAD requires stable, realist leaders able to dispassionately assess a situation in order to work. Pretty sure we don't have that. Probably should cancel Archduke Ferdinand's travel plans

A Soviet sub captain actually gave the order to fire a 10kt nuclear torpedo at US ships. His first officer refused and swallowed the arming key. We were literally that close.

Soviet submarine officer who averted nuclear war honoured with prize

Vasili Arkhipov, who prevented escalation of the cold war by refusing to launch a nuclear torpedo against US forces, is to be awarded new ‘Future of Life’ prize

www.theguardian.com

 

[BugI02]

 

[smokingman]

US video shows moment Russian fighter jet collides with US drone

The U.S. European Command released video footage Thursday showing two Russian fighter jets encountering a MQ-9 drone that plummeted into the Black Sea.

www.foxnews.com

Decent video of the collision including a still shot of the damaged propeller.

Ivan would never lie would he?

I am still trying to figure out the physics of that impact. The approach was from below. SU flighs up and over,and then turns sideways enough to fit between the the tail of the reaper without hitting the engine(with I assume a single wing tip as there is no other way it would have not hit the tail) and has a glancing blow with one blade of the prop.

Then the SU manages to fly home.

Yes,if what that video appears to show is actually what happened ivan be crazy(and a hell of a pilot) lol.

Also,I was wrong. You can indeed hit the prop of a reaper with an SU-27 and still fly back to base(but you have to be crazy).

 

[asevans]

US video shows moment Russian fighter jet collides with US drone

The U.S. European Command released video footage Thursday showing two Russian fighter jets encountering a MQ-9 drone that plummeted into the Black Sea.

www.foxnews.com

Decent video of the collision including a still shot of the damaged propeller.

Ivan would never lie would he?

Computer generation has gone a long way.