Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[BigRed]

You'll get no argument from me. Well, he's more of a hippie.



Honest answer? A lot.

How much did we spend on the Cold War "nonsense"?

Well, here's a way we can kill Ivan, and not lose any GIs.




Wait -
A) You complain about a "commie" pope, then demur when is comes to honest-to-God real-life Communist killing people.
B) You're username is BigRed.

hmmmmm....

$9B delivers a round to the head of ivan.

How much is "a lot" to you? Or are you hoping to plunder your neighbor to make up the definition and difference?

 

[SEIndSAM]

 

[BugI02]

He said he, "would put and end to it." That's not the same as threatening to blow it up. There are manifold ways to end it without resorting to sabotage.

So, if someone said they would 'put an end to you', you wouldn't consider that an immediate potential threat?

 

[BugI02]

I haven't checked Pravda, so can someone tell me, does this mean we have to hate Poland now? Or is the United States to blame?

It probably means the new kickback pipelines are place so we need to send billions to Poland now also, with severely limited oversight of course

 

[bobzilla]

So, if someone said they would 'put an end to you', you wouldn't consider that an immediate potential threat?

my wife has said that for 20 years..... not really much threat left there.

 

[bwframe]

Press conference coming from folks more worried with pronouns than killing our enemies...



Sounds like they are getting a stern talking to from limp **** Lloyd Austin...






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[JettaKnight]

So, if someone said they would 'put an end to you', you wouldn't consider that an immediate potential threat?

If someone said that about a business plan, would you assume they were going to kill all the employees?

 

[smokingman]

Keep up with the narrative.

First.

Five reasons why Russia is likely behind the Nord Stream industrial sabotage

The apparent sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline has experts pointing to Moscow as the culprit. Rebekah Koffler, author of "Putin's Playbook," is one such expert.

www.foxnews.com

Then

Columbia professor Jeffrey Sachs yanked off air after accusing US of sabotaging Nord Stream pipeline

Columbia Professor Jeffrey Sachs has accused the US of sabotaging the Nord Stream pipeline in the Baltic Sea, prompting television hosts to pull the plug on his TV interview.

nypost.com

Lots of twisting and turning/keeping the investigation secret later....

Ukrainian's did it! With fake passports and a sailboat leased from a company in Germany.

In Nord Stream bombings probe, German investigators see Ukraine link, reports say

Both Kyiv and Moscow dismiss the German media reports.

www.politico.eu

....or not.
But if the actual truth ever comes out(the original investigation is still top secret)...well that would mean there was a leak somewhere else. Likely a few angry people as well.

Just keeping everyone up to date on the narative.
It was the Russian's pretending to be Ukrainian's in a false flag in the latest update from Germany.

MSN

Someone posted about Pravada this or that...not sure if they really understand the company though. It is kind of a friendly to what ever state it is in orginization these days.

Ukrainska pravda

News from Ukraine. Articles, political analysis, investigations, reports, economic and sports news. Ukrainska Pravda, founded in April 2000, is one of the oldest and most respected Ukrainian news agencies.

www.pravda.com.ua

As far as Poland I pointed it out in this thread last year. It is the USA's number one "ally" in the EU. After all we financed the pipeline that opened the day Nord2 blew up. This one.

Gas starts flowing to Poland through new Baltic Pipe pipeline

Gas started flowing to Poland through the new Baltic Pipe pipeline from Norway via Denmark and the Baltic Sea on Saturday morning, Polish gas pipeline operator Gaz-System said.

www.reuters.com

Shortly after building a new base. This one.

Pentagon Announces New Permanent U.S. Army Headquarters in Poland

The forward headquarters will include a command post, garrison, and field support battalion.

nationalinterest.org

Before moving all our armor from Germany to Poland.

We also get the nice benifit of Polish gas imports sold to the rest of the EU priced by contracts made in the good old American dollar(not Euro's because that has no benifit for Poland or the US).
Of course it does not hurt that we have a shiny new defense deal with Poland,while cutting back ties to those silly German's.

Polish president ratifies defence deal with U.S.

Polish President Andrzej Duda ratified a defence agreement with the United States on Monday that cements a greater U.S. troop presence in the country and he said Warsaw's relations with Washington should not be affected by the U.S. election.

www.reuters.com

So Poland will remain for quite awhile as the key ally of the US in the EU.

Biden meets with Polish president in Warsaw

President Biden met with Polish President Andrzej Duda in Warsaw on Tuesday, following Biden’s surprise visit to Kyiv, Ukraine, the day prior. Biden and Duda met at the Presidential Palace, w…

thehill.com

 

[bobzilla]

Press conference coming from folks more worried with pronouns than killing our enemies...

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Sounds like they are getting a stern talking to from limp **** Lloyd Austin...

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was this a second one or the first one?

 

[oze]

Just keeping everyone up to date on the narative.
It was the Russian's pretending to be Ukrainian's in a false flag in the latest update from Germany.

MSN

Someone posted about Pravada this or that...not sure if they really understand the company though. It is kind of a friendly to what ever state it is in orginization these days.

Ukrainska pravda

News from Ukraine. Articles, political analysis, investigations, reports, economic and sports news. Ukrainska Pravda, founded in April 2000, is one of the oldest and most respected Ukrainian news agencies.

www.pravda.com.ua

As far as Poland I pointed it out in this thread last year. It is the USA's number one "ally" in the EU. After all we financed the pipeline that opened the day Nord2 blew up. This one.

Gas starts flowing to Poland through new Baltic Pipe pipeline

Gas started flowing to Poland through the new Baltic Pipe pipeline from Norway via Denmark and the Baltic Sea on Saturday morning, Polish gas pipeline operator Gaz-System said.

www.reuters.com

Shortly after building a new base. This one.

Pentagon Announces New Permanent U.S. Army Headquarters in Poland

The forward headquarters will include a command post, garrison, and field support battalion.

nationalinterest.org

Before moving all our armor from Germany to Poland.

We also get the nice benifit of Polish gas imports sold to the rest of the EU priced by contracts made in the good old American dollar(not Euro's because that has no benifit for Poland or the US).
Of course it does not hurt that we have a shiny new defense deal with Poland,while cutting back ties to those silly German's.

Polish president ratifies defence deal with U.S.

Polish President Andrzej Duda ratified a defence agreement with the United States on Monday that cements a greater U.S. troop presence in the country and he said Warsaw's relations with Washington should not be affected by the U.S. election.

www.reuters.com

So Poland will remain for quite awhile as the key ally of the US in the EU.

Biden meets with Polish president in Warsaw

President Biden met with Polish President Andrzej Duda in Warsaw on Tuesday, following Biden’s surprise visit to Kyiv, Ukraine, the day prior. Biden and Duda met at the Presidential Palace, w…

thehill.com

According to the 5 1/2 month old article about the natural gas pipeline

The pipeline is at the centre of Poland's strategy to diversify its gas supplies away from Russia that began years before Moscow's February invasion of Ukraine triggered a global energy crisis.

And...

Russia cut gas supplies to Poland in April when it refused to pay in roubles

And based on what crazy Ivan has said and done lately, I'd say that *Trump's* decision in 2019 to move US troops east (according to that article) was pretty damned prescient. Also, nice to see Biden finally realizing who are friends are, after the crap he spouted during the campaign.

During the election campaign, Biden had accused Trump of backing authoritarian leaders around the world, mentioning Poland among others.

 

[smokingman]

According to the 5 1/2 month old article about the natural gas pipeline

And...


And based on what crazy Ivan has said and done lately, I'd say that *Trump's* decision in 2019 to move US troops east (according to that article) was pretty damned prescient. Also, nice to see Biden finally realizing who are friends are, after the crap he spouted during the campaign.

So we agree Trump and Poland made the right call?

 

[oze]

So we agree Trump and Poland made the right call?

Of course we do.

 

[Wolfhound]

So, if someone said they would 'put an end to you', you wouldn't consider that an immediate potential threat?

Maybe not apples to apples but doesn’t Iran start and finish every government assembly by chanting death to America? Yet, here we are.

 

[bwframe]

 

[actaeon277]

Well, maybe electing a spineless jellyfish was a mistake.

 

[BugI02]

Maybe not apples to apples but doesn’t Iran start and finish every government assembly by chanting death to America? Yet, here we are.

Would you judge the threat level of 'Death to America' differently if JoePedo was the one saying it?

Oh, wait - he already is. Just not in so many words

 

[Route 45]

Well, maybe electing a spineless jellyfish was a mistake.

What is the proper response? And not defending Milley, but if you were the general at the podium, would you be giving the press (and the rest of the world) our strategy?

 

[actaeon277]

What is the proper response? And not defending Milley, but if you were the general at the podium, would you be giving the press (and the rest of the world) our strategy?

Maybe, if our leaders had a spine, other countries would be wondering if picking a fight was a good idea.
Wars are fought on perceptions.
Attackers will attack, because they think they will win.
Not because they think they will lose.

 

[Route 45]

Maybe, if our leaders had a spine, other countries would be wondering if picking a fight was a good idea.
Wars are fought on perceptions.
Attackers will attack, because they think they will win.
Not because they think they will lose.

Are you saying that Putin wants a direct war with us? He can't even get to Kyiv.

 

[actaeon277]

Are you saying that Putin wants a direct war with us? He can't even get to Kyiv.

And yet he keeps on threatening nukes and having his forces 'threaten'.