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    smokingman

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    Guess we will find out in the morning if the EU,especially countries like Germany still want heat and power vs want to support American sanctions. The EU was calling the gas being shut off a bluff,until today(Putin signed the order today 3/31/2022).
    Looks like the world knows they will be paying in Rubles. One year chart of the Ruble vs US dollar,the Ruble is certainly higher than it was the day after the invasion,and is listed as a strong buy on most currency markets.
     

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    Big push coming from the east. We will see how well that works,
     

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    They get Booze too, and fire arms
    Dang. I like the Ukrainian version of the BATFE (ATF) more and more every day.

    Thats it. Were forming an Ingo legion and going to Ukraine. Bring all your commie guns and all your commie gun ammo. Were going to shoot Rooskies..
     

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    Can we stop pretending that conscripting 134k people is a huge deal? This is a normal and consistent number year over year.

    But hey who cares about facts when only the clicks matter


    Our army recruits 75k regular army , 40k national guard and 15k reserve army on a normal peacetime year to put it in perspective

     

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    Wow.. Wow WOW, one of the most ballsy strikes I have ever seen executed
    Ukraine used Strike hellicopters flying stupid low, down between houses low. to hit an oil depot IN Russia..

    Whoever came up with this, and flew this.. has balls the size of cannon balls.






    Do you think that strike hit refined product bound for the Russian market or European markets?

    It may have been ballsy and even well executed,but that does not mean anyone thought about the results it would have and on whom.

    Meanwhile in the USA nitrogen for farmers is up just a bit https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/crops/article/2022/03/30/dap-fertilizer-price-index-sets-1

    You can see where Biden energy policies kicked in,then when the sanctions took place on the chart.
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    Sanctions are partly to blame(about 1/3 of the increase,the other part being our own energy policies against oil and gas). I guess when you cut your own production you should not ban the exporter you had come to rely on. The entire thing really is starting to look like a deliberate sabotage of the USA and Europe.

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    This morning we also got a bit of news from OPEC.
    The Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA) on Thursday said its data is rigorous and objective, responding to a decision by OPEC and allies including Russia to remove the IEA from its trusted data sources.

    “IEA data and analysis remain available to all those seeking rigorous and objective market information,” the IEA told Reuters in an emailed statement.

    The reason OPEC cut out IEA data? They showed it was incorrect most of the time,based on estimates of someone sitting at a desk(Saudi was being brutal at the meeting even called them clowns/jesters). It(IEA) also had influenced oil prices incorrectly both up and down(mostly up) for more than a decade. In the end it was put to a vote. Keep paying for the data(that was shown to be wrong almost 70% if the time) or stop using it. They all voted to stop using it.
     
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    KellyinAvon

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    Interesting... I don't think I've ever heard "random generals" before. USAF had a lot of random Colonels, just sayin.

    Zelenskyy demotes 2 Ukrainian generals, calls them 'traitors'


    "That is why the ex-chief of the Main Department of Internal Security of the Security Service of Ukraine Naumov Andriy Olehovych and the former head of the Office of the Security Service of Ukraine in the Kherson region Kryvoruchko Serhiy Oleksandrovych are no longer generals," he continued.

    Zelenskyy didn't explicitly say why the generals were demoted, but said, "According to Article 48 of the Disciplinary Statute of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, those servicemen among senior officers who have not decided where their homeland is, who violate the military oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people [in regard to] the protection of our state, its freedom and independence, will inevitably be deprived of senior military ranks. Random generals don't belong here!"


     

    BigMoose

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    Do you think that strike hit refined product bound for the Russian market or European markets?

    It may have been ballsy and even well executed,but that does not mean anyone thought about the results it would have and on whom.
    They hit it because they detirmined that is where the fuel was coming from that supplied the vehicles attacking Ukraine. Simple as that.
     

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    Regardless of the strategic or tactical damage done by the Ukrainian strike on the Russian oil depot it is a huge morale booster for the Ukrainians and a slap in the face of Russia. It is psychologically significant.

    It is much like the Doolittle raid on Tokyo in 1942. The Doolittle raid was militarily useless. It cause no real damage, killed a few people, and didn't slow down Japan in any way whatsoever. However, the Americans were ecstatic! It really boosted morale on the home front after the devastation of Pearl Harbor. We had been fairly well damaged and were reeling at the loss, then - Boom! Doolittle strikes Tokyo.

    The Ukrainians, as I see it, pulled off a similar stunt. Russia has been slowly advancing and all of a sudden, almost 20 miles inside Russian territory the Ukraine hits a Russian depot! The conflict just became a little more costly, a little more messy than Russia would like it to be.

    It may cause the Russians to start to, for the first time, think defensively. Where are we weak? Where can the Ukrainians strike next? What forces do we need to redeploy to defend?

    Then again, maybe it really does do nothing - just like Doolittle.

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    Doug
     

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    Wow.. Wow WOW, one of the most ballsy strikes I have ever seen executed
    Ukraine used Strike hellicopters flying stupid low, down between houses low. to hit an oil depot IN Russia..

    Whoever came up with this, and flew this.. has balls the size of cannon balls.






    Awesome. I was wondering when Ukraine would hit something inside Russia, if only for morale and propaganda value.

    Helluva duty for two Hind crews to pull. If it went south they'd have been two charred craters in the landscape, unremarked upon. Perhaps the Russians don't have much AA defense in depth.
     

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    Regardless of the strategic or tactical damage done by the Ukrainian strike on the Russian oil depot it is a huge morale booster for the Ukrainians and a slap in the face of Russia. It is psychologically significant.

    It is much like the Doolittle raid on Tokyo in 1942. The Doolittle raid was militarily useless. It cause no real damage, killed a few people, and didn't slow down Japan in any way whatsoever. However, the Americans were ecstatic! It really boosted morale on the home front after the devastation of Pearl Harbor. We had been fairly well damaged and were reeling at the loss, then - Boom! Doolittle strikes Tokyo.

    The Ukrainians, as I see it, pulled off a similar stunt. Russia has been slowly advancing and all of a sudden, almost 20 miles inside Russian territory the Ukraine hits a Russian depot! The conflict just became a little more costly, a little more messy than Russia would like it to be.

    It may cause the Russians to start to, for the first time, think defensively. Where are we weak? Where can the Ukrainians strike next? What forces do we need to redeploy to defend?

    Then again, maybe it really does do nothing - just like Doolittle.

    Regards,

    Doug
    Even the Doolittle raid caused Japan to strengthen their air defense forces. It had a psychological effect on the Japanese people as well as they thought they were untouchable in the homeland.
     

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    Awesome. I was wondering when Ukraine would hit something inside Russia, if only for morale and propaganda value.

    Helluva duty for two Hind crews to pull. If it went south they'd have been two charred craters in the landscape, unremarked upon. Perhaps the Russians don't have much AA defense in depth.
    This is the second, In the opening days of the war they launched some ballistic missles at an airfield in Russia.

    This was one big oil depot. It should have some effect.
     

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    Wow.. Wow WOW, one of the most ballsy strikes I have ever seen executed
    Ukraine used Strike hellicopters flying stupid low, down between houses low. to hit an oil depot IN Russia..

    Whoever came up with this, and flew this.. has balls the size of cannon balls.






    As @Libertarian01 said, this was Ukraine's Doolittle Raid. I am hoping they will do something similar with a bridge to Crimea.

    One of the best, from a psychological perspective, as well as military is to cause Russia (and especially the Russian military) to recognize there is going to be a cost to their assault on another nation on the Russian soil. Such an assault is one thing when you have convinced yourself of a quick victory with no ramifications for your own nation. When that bubble is popped, the aggressor now has to apply resources to the defense of their own soil.

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    ETA: And props to the Ukranian pilots that pulled it off. They are definitely members of the special pants club. There pants mus look like MC Hammer's, so their is adequate room for their enormous brass plated steel balls.
     

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    Regardless of the strategic or tactical damage done by the Ukrainian strike on the Russian oil depot it is a huge morale booster for the Ukrainians and a slap in the face of Russia. It is psychologically significant.

    It is much like the Doolittle raid on Tokyo in 1942. The Doolittle raid was militarily useless. It cause no real damage, killed a few people, and didn't slow down Japan in any way whatsoever. However, the Americans were ecstatic! It really boosted morale on the home front after the devastation of Pearl Harbor. We had been fairly well damaged and were reeling at the loss, then - Boom! Doolittle strikes Tokyo.

    The Ukrainians, as I see it, pulled off a similar stunt. Russia has been slowly advancing and all of a sudden, almost 20 miles inside Russian territory the Ukraine hits a Russian depot! The conflict just became a little more costly, a little more messy than Russia would like it to be.

    It may cause the Russians to start to, for the first time, think defensively. Where are we weak? Where can the Ukrainians strike next? What forces do we need to redeploy to defend?

    Then again, maybe it really does do nothing - just like Doolittle.

    Regards,

    Doug
    The Doolittle Raid will be celebrating an 80th anniversary later this month. Another comparison between the two missions: the danger involved with just getting to the target. Hind helicopters aren't the most maneuverable of rotary-winged aircraft, looking over and seeing rooftops doesn't leave much room for error. Medium bombers launching (no catapult) off a carrier... nuff said.
     
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