Rimfire Madness: The Infection Begins

[wtburnette]

Some .22lr ammo falls apart at 100 yds and does not hold the same size groups in MOA that they do at 50 yds. I'm guessing the RART did not have the ammo it wanted this morning.

Well, I tested CCI SV, CCI Green Tag, SK Rifle Match and Wolf Match Target. Out of those, the Wolf Match Target had the best group. I should have brought the Lapua to test.

 

[Hookeye]

Well, took my POS 10/22 SP to the range today.
First shots looked like skeet choke was in (just over 2" group at 25 yards).
Then it settled down and did about an inch w CCI minimag and Blazer.
The WW 42 max was about 1.5".
Have yet to find a 10/22 that likes it (0 for 3). My Anschutz 184 did.

So, I think there two things going on:

1. Bedding
2. Barrel

I had it out of the stock last night, put in and just snugged the screw.
Took about 15 shots for the gun to behave.

In original form it'd string them horizontally.
Now it's almost all vertically (I free floated the bbl, removed wood from one side too, was hard against, and then put a shim at tip to take out rocking).

The gun seemed to like CCI Minimag better than Blazer today.
It did turn in a couple of groups running just under an inch, in a vert line with slight run to the left.
It did a couple at .75" and one at .5"

But this at 25 yards.

Figuring the skeet deal at the start due to maybe being light action screw torque, tightening the action screw to 20 in lbs..........did not help.
Put 10 shots at 1.75" at 50 yards (yes there was a breeze but not THAT much of one).
Group was just a general pattern.

So............I think it needs a better bbl and some bedding near the action screw or support the bbl near action.

Now to decide it I want to do that, or dump it.
Think it could be a good shooter, just an issue of time and money.

Damn thing feels so good. Hard to not like it.

 

[Hookeye]

Could send reg bbl to CPC and the bolt too.
But then I'd still need to bed the thing.
Be a cool gun then.
Don't think a bedding job alone will fix this pig.
My guess is that being 50 yrs old, the stock has shrunk and whoever had it before proly dinged the crown (or it wasn't that great from the factory).
Accraglass and a crown might make it shine.

 

[Hookeye]

On a positive note........the Contender .35 rem Super 14 put 3 in an inch at 50 yards and I consider that good enough.
Only a 2X scope. Factory 200 gr Hornady Leverevolution.

I am recording each rigs settings since I'm getting old and forget crap.

The Steyr Pro Hunter in .30-06......has a heavy trigger. And shooting off the bipod, w no rail to crowd............I get a little left once in a while.
Saw that w 700 on same bench, same bipod.

So....................need to order another suede sandbag.

I actually did get out and shoot the thing......wasn't bad either.
Excluding the flier..............it shoots under an inch.

Might take a board and C clamps and add a crowder rail. See what that does for bipod shooting.
Try bipod, and just bags.
Deer gun. Won't be shot w bipods anyway.
But something to test.

 

[gmcttr]

... I should have brought the Lapua to test.

I've got some Wolf Match Extra, Lapua Midas + and SK Long Range Match you can try too.

Much of the ammo shoots 1.5" groups for me at 100 yds and then the SK LRM showed some real promise in my Kidd setup.

 

[gmcttr]

...Damn thing feels so good. Hard to not like it.

I believe you have stated this several times. Tells me you should let the heart override the brain and bed it and get a new barrel.

Think what a smile it would put on your face if it shot like you wanted.

 

[Hookeye]

But I have done several rifles and am too old and cranky to bed em anymore.
Wish somebody made a synth stock of that dim.
McMillan looks to be close.................go figure LOL.

I did check Rimfire Sports and the GM 20" reg blued is still out of stock.

The idea was to make an old gun into a good shooter.
Even if a bbl swap, have it be old looking.
I could drop a newer action/trigger housing and bbl in the old beater stock.
But I was wanting to use as much of the old original as possible.

Keep it a classic, not just classic looking.

Silly but that was the intent.

Hard to let go of the idea.

But the scope is off and am moving the 2-7X onto the CZ.
Just like that scope. Overall look, enough mag....size.

Friggin kitchen is full or stuff right now........range cleanup time.

 

[Hookeye]

Am over it.
Away it goes.
Will put the Kidd buffer and pins in the old lady's 50thh anniv grey/blued standard.

 

[Hookeye]

While I like walnut, and aged finishes........don't mind dings and dents..........am moving more and more to synth.
Makes me less grouchy after a bonk.

 

[wtburnette]

I've got some Wolf Match Extra, Lapua Midas + and SK Long Range Match you can try too.

Much of the ammo shoots 1.5" groups for me at 100 yds and then the SK LRM showed some real promise in my Kidd setup.

Need to get together again sometime soon to test some more ammo...

 

[88E30M50]

I guess ill play in this thread. Recently picked up a stock 10/22.

Any tips on modding factory parts for better trigger? On my other 22s ive always gone the drop in throw money at it approach but the budget doesnt currently allow for that.

Im gonna do the auto bolt release mod but looking for tips to improve the trigger and anything that can be done to the stock to improve accuracy.

Ive read removing the barrel band sometimes helps? Is this true?

I decided to upgrade the 10/22 that I had sitting in the back of the safe, unshot, for years. I replaced the barrel, trigger pack and stock. I just ordered a new receiver, bolt, charging handle, takedown screw, v-block and bolts. When done, I’ll reassemble my old 10/22 and into the back of the safe it will go until I decide to upgrade it again. The cycle will repeat itself I’m sure.

 

[88E30M50]

I hit the range with WT yesterday with the upgraded 10/22 and the results were mixed. On one hand, it was grouping well, even with bulk ammo. Not bragging rights well but I could keep the rounds in a 1 inch paster at 50 yards with the occasional bulk ammo flyer.

The frustration came in the fact that the point of impact moved all over the place. It started 2 inches low and 1 inch right and at one point was an inch high at 12 o-clock. I was able to dial it in towards the end but have no confidence in it’s being zeroed the next time out.

This morning I ordered a Tactical Innovations receiver, match grade bolt and every other part needed to remove all factory parts from the gun. I think that my issues are coming from using an old dovetail rail that does not sit well on the receiver so the new setup will have an integrated rail.

 

[88E30M50]

I did throw a few rounds out to the 100 yard line steel at a couple of pasters that I had stuck to it. The hold over was exactly at the steel bolt for the middle group. I’m happy with how it’s doing that far out when running Aquila 38g bulk ammo. It seems to like it.

 

[Areoflyer09]

I like the integrated rails. Removes one more point of variation in the set up.

 

[88E30M50]

I like the integrated rails. Removes one more point of variation in the set up.

I totally agree. The bolt on rail did not fit the receiver cleanly and I think that as the receiver warmed a bit, it moved around just enough to push and pull the groups around. The rifle groups really well but the point of impact is very inconsistent. The milled rail should correct that once and for all.

 

[Hohn]

Well, I tested CCI SV, CCI Green Tag, SK Rifle Match and Wolf Match Target. Out of those, the Wolf Match Target had the best group. I should have brought the Lapua to test.

You wouldn't happen to know if this was SK-contract Wolf or the newer Eley-contract Wolf would you?

The SK-made stuff was excellent for $60/brick, I'm trying to get a feel for the Eley-made stuff. Hopefully it only smells different.

 

[Hookeye]

The Weaver base I had, new style 10/22 multi slot, was a little sloppy.
Suppose one could shift it to make up for barrel alignment issues.
My old 95 and 70 models have good alignment. So didn't need that "feature".

I mention this, as I bought a Recknagel pic rail for my Steyr......and there was no slop.
Pretty darn tight really.

But then it was a $70 base, not a $10.

 

[Hookeye]

Odd, but on the 10/22s............

I've had over a half dozen, always ran Weaver bases........and never had one come loose.
Sure some were not shot much, but some had the crap shot out of them, and no prob.

Never had rings come loose either.

Suspect loose rings may hammer the base and cause base screws to undo.

I dunno.

No probs here.

Most of my rings have been Burris Zees.

 

[wtburnette]

You wouldn't happen to know if this was SK-contract Wolf or the newer Eley-contract Wolf would you?

The SK-made stuff was excellent for $60/brick, I'm trying to get a feel for the Eley-made stuff. Hopefully it only smells different.

It doesn't say on the site, but I would bet it's the newer stuff.

 

[88E30M50]

New parts arrive on Wednesday. Time to start taking the 10/22 down for maintenance and upgrades