Everyone!! (In the court of lefty public opinion at least.)Just curious has anyone been charged and convicted of insurrection?
You sir are a fricking joke. The new charges are Orwellian thought crime ********. Clearly protected speech but hey progressives like yourself hate the constitution and rule of law until you can weaponize it against those you don’t agree with Lots of other thoughts on the matter but I’ll refrain from stating them because I do enjoy this community.
No, jokes are funny. This guy isn't funny, he's ignorant. It's ok to hate Trump. It's not ok to accept the DOJ using its full resources to eliminate a political rival. I Kut and pasted the definition for ignorant.
ignorant
adjective
ig·no·rant ˈig-n(ə-)rənt
Synonyms of ignorant
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a
: destitute of knowledge or education
an ignorant society
also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified
parents ignorant of modern mathematics
b
: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence
ignorant errors
2
: UNAWARE, UNINFORMED
Right back at you twinkle toesLol, I must have struck a nerve.
When you aren’t equipped to attack your opponent’s argument I guess you just have to attack your opponent‘s character.
Its okay, I’ll be here when you grow up enough to decide you‘d rather have a productive conversation than a pointless altercation.
Bless your heart.
Calling it an "insurrection" is hyperbole to the max. If that's "insurrection", then what do you call setting government buildings on fire with people inside (as happened during the "summer of love" with BLM? Oh yeah... those are called "mostly peaceful protests."
When did that happen? Certainly not on Jan. 6. Were any congress members assaulted? How were they physically accosted?What do you call it when an angry crowd of people physically attempt to stop congress from seating the next president?
You need to work on your definitions. A Coup d'etat would've involved the military. So again, more hyperbole.If, on the other hand, the angry group was an artificially organized attempt by some element of political leadership to keep the next president from taking office, I’d say Coup d’etat would be more appropriate.
You have an ill-informed view. What's going on now is Banana Republic stuff. You know, those places where coup d'etats actually take place? That's where they attempt to imprison their political rivals. That is what is going on here. If you can't see that, then you're willfully blind.I’m being generous when I use the term attempted insurrection. I view Jan 6th as a coup attempt, full stop.
When did that happen? Certainly not on Jan. 6. Were any congress members assaulted? How were they physically accosted?
I would call it a protest during which a handful of people got out of line. Certainly closer to a "peaceful protest" than anything we saw during the "summer of love".
You need to work on your definitions. A Coup d'etat would've involved the military. So again, more hyperbole.
You have an ill-informed view. What's going on now is Banana Republic stuff. You know, those places where coup d'etats actually take place? That's where they attempt to imprison their political rivals. That is what is going on here. If you can't see that, then you're willfully blind.
Tell us again how many capital police officers and congress critters were killed or maimed as a result of that riot? I’ll wait patiently for your answer. Oh that’s right zero!!!!!! So much for the violent assault ********. Progressives have very short memories. Does anyone remember when violent leftists detonated a frickin bomb in the capitol building. Oh clutch your pearls!!! This insurrection was the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor!!!!!! Leftist snowflakes are intellectually dishonest twits at best. As far as interrupting an official proceeding? Not sure how official it actually was though with Secretaries of State illegally changing voting laws outside of their authority.Calling the the events of Jan 6 an attempted insurrection is maximum hyperbole?
Okay. What would be a more appropriate term for the events of that day?
What do you call it when an angry crowd of people physically attempt to stop congress from seating the next president?
If the angry group is spontaneous and organic in nature then terms like rebellion or insurgency might fit, but insurrection really does fit better In context.
If, on the other hand, the angry group was an artificially organized attempt by some element of political leadership to keep the next president from taking office, I’d say Coup d’etat would be more appropriate.
I’m being generous when I use the term attempted insurrection. I view Jan 6th as a coup attempt, full stop.
ZeroTell us again how many capital police officers and congress critters were killed or maimed as a result of that riot?
You don’t have to, I already answered.I’ll wait patiently for your answer.
Yeah, that’s what I said.Oh that’s right zero!!!!!!
Wait a minute…now you’re moving the goalposts.So much for the violent assault ********.
Whew…that was a roller coaster. I’m glad I never said any of those things.Progressives have very short memories. Does anyone remember when violent leftists detonated a frickin bomb in the capitol building. Oh clutch your pearls!!! This insurrection was the worst attack on America since Pearl Harbor!!!!!!
This from a paragon of intellectual curiosity, no doubt.Leftist snowflakes are intellectually dishonest twits at best.
As far as interrupting an official proceeding? Not sure how official it actually was though with Secretaries of State illegally changing voting laws outside of their authority.
Isn't that just a convenient way to ignore it? Back in 2020 during the george floyd riots, federal property was dammaged. Bar aggressively investigated and prosecuted the perpetrators. After Biden took office the DoJ dropped the cases. There were plenty of articles posted here.Do antifa now? Sure. **** the lot of them.
I won’t shed a single tear for the losers and punks that burned down their own home towns in protest of “systematc…like, uh, oppression or something”.
I would need to see a reference in order to comment on the federal charges against rioters being dropped after Biden took office, I have no familiarity with those claims.
I'd add a little more complexity to that. Charges where charges are appropriate, and, prosecute everyone equally under the law. That's not happening. Saying you don't like the NDA's is a cop out. It's like throwing your hands up, well, whatdyagonna do? and then going back to caring about prosecuting the one you actually care about.My position is simple: where charges are appropriate, charges should be filed. In public. None of this NDA back room ****.
Would be nice to have a legal definition of insurrection.As far as whether or not the insurrectionists actually committed crimes…
According to a google search, over 550 defendants have pled guilty to criminal charges related to their behavior on Jan 6…some 140 were felonies.
The government thinks they committed crimes, and the insurrectionists agree that they committed the crimes the government accused them of…no jury pool (tainted or otherwise) involved at all.
I mean, look at the language you're using. You keep calling them insurrectionists while separating out the possibility that some insurrectionists didn't commit a crime? I mean, read that again and tell me that sounds like it's made in good faith.I think it’s reasonable to take the position that (at least some of) the insurrectionists committed crimes In Jan 6.
I know many firearms were confiscated. There was some discussion here recently about that even. What I'm addressing was that it was not an armed insurrection, even though some people got caught with weapons on Capitol grounds. Those people should be charged and were.I want to make it clear I am making this point snark-free:
Why do you think there were no guns on Jan 6th?
There have been several high-profile convictions of MAGA enthusiasts on gun crimes related to the events on Jan 6…including a man from Indiana who is currently serving 5 years in prison for bringing guns into the capitol that day:
Indiana Man Sentenced to 60 Months in Prison For Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach
WASHINGTON – An Indiana man was sentenced today to 60 months in prison for carrying two loaded guns on Capitol grounds and assaulting law enforcement officers during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. His and others’ actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to...www.justice.gov
I am not trying to paint Jan 6th as an armed civilian insurrection, but…there is really no denying that at least a few of the Jan 6th insurrectionists were armed civilians.
Riot. While looking some stuff up on this subject, I actually came across an article in NPR where they referred to it as a riot. I was like, NPR?Calling the the events of Jan 6 an attempted insurrection is maximum hyperbole?
Okay. What would be a more appropriate term for the events of that day?
I mean. There were hundreds of thousands of angry people there to protest the the certification of electors because they believed Democrats cheated. Right or wrong it's their right to protest. Only relatively few were actually violent. Those who entered the Capitol building with the intent to use violence to stop it were few. For the actions of a few you're pinning it on the whole angry crowd.What do you call it when an angry crowd of people physically attempt to stop congress from seating the next president?
No it doesn't. Only for a few. This crowd was not at all organized. Even the people who breached the Capitol did not act like insurrectionist. Surely you saw the photos of them staying in within the ropeways. Gawking at the Capitol like tourists. I think the only way you see this as the whole lot being insurrectionists is if you cherry pick some scenes while ignoring others.If the angry group is spontaneous and organic in nature then terms like rebellion or insurgency might fit, but insurrection really does fit better In context.
If, on the other hand, the angry group was an artificially organized attempt by some element of political leadership to keep the next president from taking office, I’d say Coup d’etat would be more appropriate.
I’m being generous when I use the term attempted insurrection. I view Jan 6th as a coup attempt, full stop.
Lets not forget May 29, 2020, when the insurrectionists breached the barricades at the White House, causing it to be locked down. Those insurrectionists violently assaulted secret service and riot police. Set fires. Did severe damage to federal property. What did Democrats say about that?It's interesting that Lefty Gunner should be so stuck on the idea that Jan 6th was an "insurrection" because there was violence in the Capitol building, but, apparently he doesn't think the same sort of violence committed during Trump's Inauguration was worthy of the term "insurrection." Or, perhaps I missed something here.
I also find it interesting that the purported presence of government agents - specifically FBI, and military - which has been documented elsewhere doesn't impact Lefty Gunner's thinking. Is it an "insurrection" when the government aids and encourages it?
Also, as we're seeing in some recent SCOTUS cases, the very concept of government colluding to deprive citizens of their Constitutional Right to free speech is being repudiated at the same time it is being documented. I think it can be reasonably argued that the limited violence of Jan 6th doesn't hold a candle to the violence that was committed during the so-called "Summer of Love" AND during the Trump Inauguration. Yet neither of those were labeled "insurrections".
I don't need to call names to opine that Lefty Gunner is badly mistaken and his arguments are invalid, as far as I'm concerned.
Did you really have to drink ALL the Kool-Aid?What do you call it when an angry crowd of people physically attempt to stop congress from seating the next president?
Calling the the events of Jan 6 an attempted insurrection is maximum hyperbole?