NRA and Ellsworth

[shooter521]

Threads merged; original thread moved to General Political Discussion.

 

[Pocketman]

Individuals may not be. But those individuals still vote Pelosi as Speaker, and she is. So you do have to look at that when you are making your vote.

Yes this is a very good point. That said, too many politicians have more loyalty to their party than they do to their country.

 

[Prometheus]

I've said some people are more republican than American and that they would vote for Hillary Clinton if she had an R next to her name.

This thread proves my point.

 

[dukeboy_318]

see thats the attitude that will never allow the changes we need in this country. scared to do the right thing.

if ellsworth gets elected and helps pass another gun bill, then I will not stand for it and I dont think many other Americans will either. one more infrindgement on my gun rights and it will be time to muster.

You know I can't believe im gonna say this after years of serving my country, but ill be mustering with you E5! As for the race for senate, im still undecided, I don't want either ellesworth or coats, can't stand either of them, better off voting for daffy duck then either of them, so ill probabaly lean 3rd party

 

[rmabrey]

Anything bad Coats could do to infringe our gun rights, Ellsworth will do worse.

Ellsworth has stated before that he believes in ownership on NFA items, but for police.

 

[MTC]

Ellsworth has stated before that he believes in ownership on NFA items, but for police.

"Only the police and military should..."
"Only the police and military should..."
"Only the police and military should..."

"The courts have repeatedly ruled..."
"The courts have repeatedly ruled..."
"The courts have repeatedly ruled..."

"I'm a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but..."

Suuuuure you have a right to bear arms. Well, after you send in this application with all your personal info, plus the CLEO's signature, plus two copies of your fingerprints along with a recent photo (make sure it's trimmed to fit in the margins), oh -and a $200 check per item. We'll let you know when you may take possession of said item. Keep stamped, approved copy of form with item at all times, lest you be charged with a crime punishable by at least ten years imprisonment and a $10,000 fine.

 

[Pocketman]

... I don't want either ellesworth or coats, can't stand either of them, better off voting for daffy duck then either of them, so ill probabaly lean 3rd party

+1
How unfortunate that this country cannot find good leadership.

 

[SavageEagle]

Gotta look beyond the 2nd Amendment. He also voted to extend the Patriot act, violating the 4th and 5th amendments. He voted for the TARP bills, for the so-called stimulus, the Wall-Street Take-over bill, and the biggie - the WE OWN ALL OF YOU Health Care Confiscation bill.

Exactly.

The NRA might be a "one-issue" organization, and Ellsworth may not have done anything blatantly anti-2A. But an "A" rating? What has he done to help the cause??

Gun rights are not safe when we are electing collectivists like Brad Ellsworth.

This is shameful.

And another .

Just because he's not anti-second amendment doesn't mean he's Constitutionally Friendly either. If the NRA talks all the talk about preserving the Constitution and how great the Founders were, yet they back turds like Ellsworth and Reid, what does that tell you?

It tells me they don't give a rat's ass about you, me, or the Constitution. They care about their $$$$. Nothing more, nothing less.

Try to change that? Yeah, right. Good luck breaking up THAT good-ole-boy network to change how they operate.

 

[Jerry C]

There's an article in todays courier journal that the nra has endorsed baron hill. I'm calling them tomorrow and letting them know what I think of them. I won't be giving them no more money. I know their agenda is the 2nd amend. but if we don't turn this country around we won't be able to afford guns or ammo, and if the dems get re-elected we won't turn it around--we're sunk.

 

[boljr01]

I agree coats is not my choice but the nra is so screwed up. ellsworth votes how obama and pelosi tell him to. he can be pro gun in indiana but in dc he does as he is told. he will sell us out! there is no doubt He will sell us out! coats is weak but he is a chance. ellsworth is a absolute kick in the head to gun owners mark my words

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[boljr01]

There's an article in todays courier journal that the nra has endorsed baron hill. I'm calling them tomorrow and letting them know what I think of them. I won't be giving them no more money. I know their agenda is the 2nd amend. but if we don't turn this country around we won't be able to afford guns or ammo, and if the dems get re-elected we won't turn it around--we're sunk.

I dropped the NRA a letter today due to these two endorsements (Ellsworth & Hill). While I understand their formula (2nd A voting record only), it is rather simplistic and far too short-sighted. While Ellsworth may have scored better on paper, he has proven time and time again that he will 100% go along with 0 and Pelosi and they have been pretty clear where they stand on 2nd A.

 

[Jasper Jake]

We need to vote out the leaders of the NRA they are in bed with all that is in Washington

 

[rhino]

I wonder how NRA arrived at their conclusion that Ellsworth is pro-RKBA?

If it's just his answers on their questionnaire, well, if he expressed support for the individual's right to keep and bear arms, he lied. He may have said he supports the 2nd Amendment, but he's like Lugar. When he says that, he's engaging in some not-so-subtle intellectual dishonesty because he means he supports the privilege of police officers to have anything they want with no regard for the genuine rights of all law-abiding adults.

The reason why he hasn't made any egregiously anti-RKBA votes on legislation in Congress is because he has not yet had the opportunity. I'm no supporter of Dan Coats, but in the same situations, Ellsworth would be worse.

You could also assert that he has voted anti-RKBA in more subtle ways. He has voted to elect Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House, and that is a virulently anti-RKBA action. He has supported all and opposed none of the equally anti-RKBA people appointed to the Obama Administration.

If there are any doubts, go to Glocktalk or AR15.com Indiana forums and search for first hand accounts of Ellsworth's appearance with 2nd Amendement Patriots down in Evansville when he was initially running for Congress. One of the most damning things was when he was asked if he supports the rights of people to own NFA weapons, he said that he never refused to sign the NFA paperwork . . . for a police officer. He believed that somehow made him pro-RKBA, but in fact exposes the opposite.

Ellsworth may have NRA's endorsement and it may be because of their standard procedure. I don't care why they did it, but the bottom line is that Ellsworth is not pro-RKBA, will not help us in any way, and if given the chance will act to eliminate more of our waning rights when told to do so by his controllers. Coats may suck in a lot of ways, but he sucks a lot less than Ellsworth.

This would be a really bad time to make a statement by voting for a third party or independent candidate who has no chance of winning. The NRA endorsement is going to make a difference because a lot of NRA members and people who follow their direction will not question this endorsement and blindly vote for Ellsworth.

I'm not helping Ellsworth get into the Senate. This is not the time or place to send a message by voting for someone who can't win on this level.

 

[CarmelHP]

Coats screwed us. I can't give him another chance at it. He did that in a Democratic controlled Senate when he didn't have and promised he wouldn't. He's a liar, a backstabber and traitor. I can't vote for him. I can't vote for Ellsworth either. I'm going to scratch this one, but I can't blame the NRA one bit for going with Ellsworth. Ellsworth will screw us, but hasn't yet, while we know Coats is our enemy or frenemy or whatever. A pox on both of them.

 

[LotsofGlocks]

And yet another reason I hate the NRA!

 

[wag1911]

We do not want Ellsworth in the Senate for any reason, even if it's to punish Coats. If we don't vote for Coats, Ellsworth is going to the Senate and he's going to do very bad things.

I USED to have the same opinion on voting as you. However, I've realized that part of the problem with our system is that people spend more time voting for the lesser of two evils than for someone that might actually make a difference and send a message.

For me, that is Rebecca Sink-Burris.

I won't vote for Coats based on principle. He can apologize all he wants but it's not just one vote in '94 that is at issue. It's his pattern of sacrificing the Constitutional rights of the people in favor of political expediency (go along to get along mentality). Do the research and find out for yourself. Voting for this guy IS a wasted vote.

Ellsworth is just a Socialist who likes guns. He happens to be one of the few Democrats who believe in gun rights, but apparently that may be the only amendment he respects. He's sh*t on all the others.

If for no other reason, voting for a candidate I can respect is more important than their 'electability.' If Burris managed to get 15-20% of the vote that would send a very strong message to the Republican party here in Indiana. That message is that we WILL NOT TOLERATE ANOTHER LUGAR....PERIOD.

 

[Prometheus]

This is not the time or place to send a message by voting for someone who can't win on this level.

This is the PERFECT TIME!

Coats has voted numerous times to BAN MY GUNS! What sort of retarded moron is going to vote for a person who has already voted to ban their guns?

Ellsworth? Well we are on the same page there.

So we have two anti-gun dbags running on the R and D tickets. What better time has there EVER been to vote third party? Considering it won't matter which liberal gets in office. Republicans are going to take the senate with or without coats.

I hear Hillary Clinton is running for president in 2012 as a Republican, run out and buy your Hillary '12 shirts now!

Where has all the logic gone?

 

[E5RANGER375]

yeah now is the time because there will be no more time after this time. The Americans who arent lap dogs and sheep have had ENOUGH of this destruction of our republic. The rest who are fine with the SAME, will just have to deal with the CHANGE that comes I guess. Im voting against both major parties. I will do my part to send a warning shot first. we will see if they are smart and respond in-time. this country is falling apart due to impotent government representation and a tyranical and socialist government. its time for the Republic to use its last way to survive.

 

[rhino]

Ellsworth is just a Socialist who likes guns. He happens to be one of the few Democrats who believe in gun rights, but apparently that may be the only amendment he respects. He's sh*t on all the others.

Actually, no he does not believe in gun rights. Regardless of what NRA says, he is in no way a supporter of gun rights for individuals.

 

[ATM]

I will not be voting for either of the "electable" choices as neither have it within them to represent me.