North Korea attacks South Korea, South retaliates

[rambone]

Same discussion, new fallacies. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

And I always thought that war was a tool of diplomacy used to ensure liberty.

War is failed diplomacy. There is nothing diplomatic about it.

Ensure liberty? Really? How's that War on Terror doing in ensuring our liberty? People seem really grateful for the generous efforts of the Feds & the TSA. I feel so free, with the insurmountable debts incurred and the police state we have on our own soil.

That's a pretty twisted view that we wage war on other nations to destroy our own liberty. Why would we do that when the government could just take them away with the swipe of a pen? (That was a rhetorical question. It do not require an answer, especially one lacking reason.)

It is a twisted view. Time to realize the twisted truth. "Never let a crisis go to waste." Is this some kind of new revelation for you? Wars have been excuses to take our liberties again and again.

The Federal Government is not made up of people with your best interests in mind. Their power grabs have been occurring regularly for decades by using crises (both real and staged) to convince the American people they were necessary.

Let me say that again, you have to convince the people that their liberties must be taken away, or they would revolt.

Would Americans have accepted the Patriot Act without 9/11?
Would Americans accept the TSA molesting us if we weren't conditioned to fear terrorists?
Would as many Americans have wanted Obamacare without the perception of greedy insurance companies trying to screw them?
Would we have accepted concentration camps on American soil if we weren't in fear of Japanese Americans?
Would Americans have allowed their gold to be confiscated without the perception that it would fix the Great Depression?
Would Americans have allowed the National Firearms Act of 1934 without the perception of mobsters with tommy guns trying to kill us?
Would we have allowed the steel mills to be seized by government if we were not in the middle of WW2?
Would Americans accept government bailouts and stimulus without the perception of economic collapse without them?


Never let a crisis go to waste. Your government acts against your best interest, no matter how loyal of a guard dog you are to it.

 

[MTC]

Satire to lighten it up.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfgrj_62-Y]YouTube - Contemporary American History[/ame]

 

[smitty12b]

when chernobyle went up int he 80's it sent radiation all over europe. and was even said it hit the waters off our coast. because of the prevailing winds.

Really? I was in germany at the time and I don't remember running around in mopp4?

 

[dom1104]

Ok. now that is .. some funny video.

Repped for fitting the topic PERFECTLY.

 

[Jack Ryan]

With any luck they will both nuke each other completely off the planet and the rest of the world can go on with one less pest just as if neither one ever existed. I'll not miss either one soon as the news papers figure out how to fill the blank places on the page where a couple of irrelevant nuisances used to take up space.

 

[smitty12b]

War is failed diplomacy. There is nothing diplomatic about it.

Ensure liberty? Really? How's that War on Terror doing in ensuring our liberty? People seem really grateful for the generous efforts of the Feds & the TSA. I feel so free, with the insurmountable debts incurred and the police state we have on our own soil.

I would say pretty good, have you found any ied's on your road?
You should feel free, you can say the govt sucks and not go to prison or be shot on sight.




It is a twisted view.

No, it's a warriors view. Remember, guys like Roger Ranger and Semper-Fi have paid a heavy price so we can sit and ***** about things on the internet.

Now, I pray that we don't have to fight with NK. It would end up with a body count only equaled by the Civil War.

 

[CarmelHP]

you forgot the fact that they were i differnt type of nuke. and much smaller than the ones we use today. get off you high horse and look what the repercussions mr warrior, both to the global economics as well as the ecosystems. dont understand fallout? please show me what i dont know and back it up.

Originally Posted by sparky241
when chernobyle went up int he 80's it sent radiation all over europe. and was even said it hit the waters off our coast. because of the prevailing winds.

Chernobyle vaporized its fuel and sent a plume over the Ukraine. Much different than a fusion bomb, much more fuel involved. The WW2 fission bombs were also much dirtier weapons than today's fusion bombs. Fallout is a secondary effect and is not that long lasting. The blast and heat primary effects are the biggies. Not that I'm advocating nuking anybody, just pointing out the false comparisons. Whenever you go into war, whether rashly or thoughtfully, it's a crapshoot that you never know how will turn out. The dangers are vast.

 

[sparky241]

Really? I was in germany at the time and I don't remember running around in mopp4?

im doubting it was a full curtain of radiation

Chernobyl Global Radiation Patterns

 

[smitty12b]

im doubting it was a full curtain of radiation

Chernobyl Global Radiation Patterns

You said" it sent radiation all over europe" and I just don't remember it being an issue in central europe.

 

[ghitch75]

need this settin' off the North's coast....

 

[rambone]

I would say pretty good, have you found any ied's on your road?
You should feel free, you can say the govt sucks and not go to prison or be shot on sight.

If the terrorists' goals were to destroy American freedoms, then they have won, hands down. They have made us paranoid and obsessed with illegal searches and creating a surveillance society. We have lost freedoms, not protected them. Lost them.

You can't protect our constitution by taking away our constitutional rights. I would rather face the remote danger of a terrorist than face the guaranteed invasion of my rights. So bring the IED's, and I'll bring my 2nd Amendment. I don't think I'm alone feeling that way.

 

[ghitch75]

If the terrorists' goals were to destroy American freedoms, then they have won, hands down. They have made us paranoid and obsessed with illegal searches and creating a surveillance society. We have lost freedoms, not protected them. Lost them.

You can't protect our constitution by taking away our constitutional rights. I would rather face the remote danger of a terrorist than face the guaranteed invasion of my rights. So bring the IED's, and I'll bring my 2nd Amendment. I don't think I'm alone feeling that way.

+1 rep for you sir

 

[jedi]

^--
Wow look at the water where the blast is occuring. The level of force is just wow. Does the entire ship rock to the side when the guns are being shot that way as well?

Vessels of the past.

 

[ghitch75]

^--
Wow look at the water where the blast is occuring. The level of force is just wow. Does the entire ship rock to the side when the guns are being shot that way as well?

Vessels of the past.

it would push the ship over 9ft with a broadside all battery's....and hit something at 27 miles...land of the free!!!

 

[CarmelHP]

^--
Wow look at the water where the blast is occuring. The level of force is just wow. Does the entire ship rock to the side when the guns are being shot that way as well?

Vessels of the past.

Rock? A salvo moves the ship several feet, at least according to legend. You can't stand exposed on deck when they're firing the big guns.

 

[ghitch75]

Rock? A salvo moves the ship several feet, at least according to legend. You can't stand exposed on deck when they're firing the big guns.

you would get sucked off the deck....

 

[smitty12b]

If the terrorists' goals were to destroy American freedoms, then they have won, hands down. They have made us paranoid and obsessed with illegal searches and creating a surveillance society. We have lost freedoms, not protected them. Lost them.

You can't protect our constitution by taking away our constitutional rights. I would rather face the remote danger of a terrorist than face the guaranteed invasion of my rights. So bring the IED's, and I'll bring my 2nd Amendment. I don't think I'm alone feeling that way.

This is your opinion and you are free to think it but your statement does makes me sad. It show that the american people are at best, spoiled. A little inconvenience and the sky is falling, our rights are being ripped from our hands.
Please explain to me what rights you have lost due to terrorism? and how the 2nd Amendment will help you with an IED? I am fairly sure our troops have much better weapons than we and yet they are affected every day

 

[dom1104]

I dont think thats what Rambone is saying Smitty.

He isnt afraid of IEDs, hes afraid of the .gov taking advantage of our fear of terrorists, and the .gov taking away our freedoms.

 

[jedi]

you would get sucked off the deck....

Sry for the thread hi-jack but why is that?
"sucked" off the deck?

Due to the pressured/flow of blast created by the barrels? Noise wave? ????

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

This is your opinion and you are free to think it but your statement does makes me sad. It show that the american people are at best, spoiled. A little inconvenience and the sky is falling, our rights are being ripped from our hands.
Please explain to me what rights you have lost due to terrorism? and how the 2nd Amendment will help you with an IED? I am fairly sure our troops have much better weapons than we and yet they are affected every day

The Hate America First fire burns on both sides of the candle. Those that have never had to defend freedom scream the loudest for it. And from it. Sad indeed.