"The 2nd Amendment only protects the militia's right to bear arms."
"Hey look, a militia bearing arms."
"TERRORISTS!!!!"
good point
.... but they'll say "that's not a real militia" because government..... and we don't need anyone to protect ourselves against OUR government
"The 2nd Amendment only protects the militia's right to bear arms."
"Hey look, a militia bearing arms."
"TERRORISTS!!!!"
And the many have sworn to defend against foreign and domestic enemies. Where are the Oathkeepers? Where are the other militias? I'd rather have the militias in Oregon show up, tell the nutcases in the federal building "hey, you guys have stepped over the line," and ask them to leave. I think that would be the best way to remedy this tense situation, without bloodshed.
Starting a backfire to end an out of control wildfire on your OWN property should not be an offense under the Federal Anti Terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. Which is why in 1996 "The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined that the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges." Five years later, the federal government filed terrorism charges.
I lived in Oregon in the 80's and 90's. This "takover" (the building was vacant) is probably ill advised and counter productive, but if you understood the century of abuse the BLM has used in this area, you'd be pretty pissed off too. Did you knew they built fences around private water rights, ruined the land, then bought it for pennies on the dollar and removed the fences? They used these irrigation systems to flood Malheur lakes to twice their size, putting 31 ranches underwater and buying them for next to nothing, then draining the lakes. The BLM has taken almost all of the ranches bordering the refuge over except the Hammond's ranch, and they are not stopping until they get it.
These allegations are ridiculous. Arson? Did you know Hammond called the fire department before starting the fire, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn? If the feds are going to allege they were slaughtering deer, why were they not charged with poaching? Some of the slander against them was traced back to an IP address from a Colorado BLM office. This whole thing has been part of a federal land grab pure and simple.
Were there firefighters in-between the two fires? If so, that's a problem.
thats what I thought as well. "Might get violent".Here's a "goodbye" video from one of the militia members:
[video=youtube;qECwsg3NUNQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qECwsg3NUNQ[/video]
I don't see how the feds can ignore the takeover of a federal facility by an armed group, even if it is a wildlife refuge out in the middle of nowhere. This may get violent.
thats what I thought as well. "Might get violent".
i firmly believe the folks there will not go without a fight. They are willing to die for what they believe. The only question is how many federal lives is this place worth losing to get back? Because they aren't leaving unless they want to seeing videos like this one.
im sure they have undercovers and informants that have infiltrated these groups and know more than the average bear. For all we know and have seen in the past, undercovers could be spearheading efforts such as this to push an agenda.
Nothing is as it seems anymore.
Here's a "goodbye" video from one of the militia members:
[video=youtube;qECwsg3NUNQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qECwsg3NUNQ[/video]
I don't see how the feds can ignore the takeover of a federal facility by an armed group, even if it is a wildlife refuge out in the middle of nowhere. This may get violent.
They already know that oathkeepers don't support them as evidenced in the farewell video that guy made. I personaly think the Feds are behind thisMy impression is that these few guys thought they had a lot more support. I think when they find out that the Oathkeepers, other militia, etc are not with them they will hopefully back down. This isn't the hill to die on.
That's why it would be doubly-unfortunate if the feds rush in. If they take their time, these guys can get feedback from others, they can perhaps settle for a minor charge of breaking into the building (not having done anything violent) and everyone goes home.
They already know that oathkeepers don't support them as evidenced in the farewell video that guy made. I personaly think the Feds are behind this