I Voted For Obama

[henktermaat]

Full Disclosure:

I am in this thread to have fun.

It's like a train wreck- horrible but you just can't look away!

 

[txgho1911]

We welcome bacon here.

 

[Boilers]

You want a list of stuff?

Here is the list I am keeping.

Obama chooses Arab network for first TV interview
012509 Obama lifts Bush abortion bans
012509 Executive Order to close Gitmo
012509 Executive Order banning torture
012309 executive order Obama Reverses Rules on U.S. Abortion Aid - N
012109 President Obama's first call 'was to President Abbas' - Times Online
012709 Iran will have a nuke on Obama's watch
012609 Obama allows states to set emission standards
012609 Obama seeks space weapons ban | Editor's Choice | Reuters
012809 Obama $335,000,000 FOR STD PREVENTION IN ECONOMIC STIMULUS BILL
012809 Obama to halt missile deployment in eastern europe quesion Russia 'stops missile deployment in Europe because of Obama' - Times Online
020209 Obama has begun discreet talks with Iran, Syria
020309 President Obama to water down 'Buy American' plan after EU trade war threat - Times Online
020509 President Obama Likely to Order Military Commission Charges Dropped Against Terrorist Suspect Al-Nashiri Friday
020909 Bailout big enough for 90 percent of all home mortgages
020909 Opinion - Will Obama Repeat Carter's B-1 Mistake? - Texas Insider
021809 ABC News/ World Stocks Down as Dow Hovers Round Nov. Lows
021909 E.P.A. Expected to Regulate Carbon Dioxide and Other Heat-Trapping Gases - NYTimes.com.webarchive
021909 Rove/ Is the Administration Winging It? - WSJ.com.webarchive
022009 Transportation secretary says taxing how much we drive may replace gasoline tax
022309 Obama's Auto team drives imports | detnews.com | The Detroit News
022509 FACT CHECK/ Obama's words on home aid ring hollow
022509 Exclusive/ Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama | U.S. | Reuters
022509 Byrd/ Obama in power grab - John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com.webarchive
022609 And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it. - Google Search
022609 Official/ Budget projects $1.75 trillion deficit $10,000 per American
022609 ABC News/ Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
022609 Officials/ Pentagon OKs media photos of war dead
022609 Obama wants to raise money via pollution caps/ reports
02/2709 Big Changes on the Way in Lending to Students
022709 U.S. to yield marijuana jurisdiction to states
030209 RIA Novosti - Russia - Obama 'ready to drop shield plans for Russian help on Iran'
030409 White House Knocks Jim Cramer For Calling Obama Budget "Greatest Wealth Destruction By a President" - mediabistro.com/ TVNewser
030409 President Barack Obama just plain rude to Britain. Don't call us in future. // Iain Martin
030409 GOP/ BAM COOKS THE BUDGET BOOKS - New York Post
030409 Rush Job/ Inside Dems' Limbaugh plan - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com.webarchive
030509 Feds keep bank bailouts secret
Jim Cramer response to white house on economy
030509 Washington Times - Foreign ties of nominee questioned
030509 Obama safety net/ the TelePrompter - Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com.webarchive
030509 Critics question Obama's pledge to end 'pork' - CNN.com.webarchive
030609 Obama bear market 20% drop
030609 Michael Boskin Says Barack Obama Is Moving Us Toward a European-Style Social Welfare State and Long-Run Economic Stagnation
030709 The Associated Press/ Analysis/ Obama recovery plans sowing some unease
030709 White House nightlife under investigation
030709 Obama will use spring summit to bring Cuba in from the cold
030909 Obama calls cloning 'dangerous, profoundly wrong'
030909 China naval incident 'early test' for Obama/ US lawmaker
031009 Stem cell go-ahead puts Obama at odds with pope
031009 Obama orders review of Bush legal maneuvers - International Herald Tribune
031009 ‘Manchurian Candidate’ Starts War on Business/ Kevin Hassett
031109 Camille Paglia on Obama, Rush and Daniela Mercury | Salon
031109 Obama Makes Use of Signing Statements - WSJ
031209 Ben Smith's Blog/ FBI raids office of D.C. CTO, Obama appointee
031209 RPT-FEATURE-Corporate oil booms in low-tax Switzerland | Industries | Energy | Reuters
031209 Source/ Obama official on leave after FBI raids - Yahoo! Finance
031209 Obama/ Economic crisis 'not as bad as we think'
031209 Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown - Telegraph
031309 Political Punch/ Oh, That Joe! (No. 48 in a Series) -- Gimme a Break
031409 Report/ Cuba, Venezuela could host Russian bombers
031409 U.S. Jet Shoots Down Iranian Drone Over Iraq (Updated) | Danger Room
031409 US warships head for South China Sea after standoff - Times Online
031609 The American Legion Strongly Opposed to President's Plan to Charge Wounded Heroes for Treatment
031609 Feds reverse policy cutting ammo supply
031809 Barack Obama Thanks Himself In Teleprompt Blunder During Address With Irish PM On St Patrick's Day | World News | Sky News
031909 Deepak Chopra/ What to Do About "Mad as Hell"
031909 Duke Coach to Obama/ Worry About the Economy, Not NCAA Picks - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews
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031909 Guantanamo Detainees May Be Released in U.S. - WSJ
032009 Political Punch/ President Obama Jokes About Being a Bad Bowler/ 'It's Like the Special Olympics'
032009 Obama apologizes for remark - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO
032009 Iran plays down new Obama video message
032009 Top 10 gaffes by Barack Obama and Joe Biden // Toby Harnden
032109 Military demands details on soldiers' <I>private</i> guns
032309 Poland hopes U.S. will not let it down on shield | Reuters
032309 Obama met Gorbachev in run-up to Medvedev talks | Politics | Reuters
032409 U.S. Seeks Expanded Power to Seize Firms
032409 Obama faces Notre Dame backlash
023509 Analysis/ Teleprompter telegraphs Obama caution
022509 Breitbart.tv » Obama Upgrade/ Teleprompters Swapped for Giant TV Monitor for News Conference
032509 Ben Smith's Blog/ Geithner 'open' to China proposal - POLITICO
032709 Commentary/ Obama is flunking economics - CNN
032809 'FRIEND' OF BIDEN'S DAUGHTER SHOPPING TAPE OF HER ALLEGEDLY DOING COCAINE - New York Post
032809 WORLD EXCLUSIVE/ Vice President Biden’s Daughter Caught Up In Cocaine Scandal | RadarOnline
033009 President Obama's remarks on U.S. car industry - Yahoo! News UK
033109 ChineseKillWeapon - U.S. Naval Institute
033109 My Way News - Obama's aunt becomes symbol in immigration debate
033109 Sebelius admits errors, pays $7,000 in back taxes
040109 Obama faces high-stakes China, Russia meetings
040109 Geithner On Ousting CEOs, Reviving Economy | - CBS News
040209 Karl Rove Says Barack Obama Has Moved Chicago Politics to the White House - WSJ
What Does One Get a Queen? - Political Punch
040209 PROMISES, PROMISES/ Obama tax pledge up in smoke
040209 Jonathan Freedland/ Where is the new JFK we expected? He's stuck in a rut with Gordon Brown | Comment is free | The Guardian
040209 Biden credits stimulus for fire station funded under Bush | McClatchy
040509 W.H. team discloses TARP firm ties - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO
040609 Michael Tomasky/ With North Korea's rocket, Obama's hope is shot back down to earth | Comment is free | The Guardian
040709 Pentagon plans to ax F-22 project |
040709 Obama ends Europe trip with tour of Istanbul mosque
040709 Iranian nuke plot vaporized in the city/ NY banks unwittingly aided in material transfers, says DA
040809 Obama's painful missteps bowing to king of Saudi Arabia
040809 Pirates hijack ship with 20 Americans onboard | Reuters
040809 FOXNews - Cyberspies Penetrate U.S. Electrical Grid, Leave Software That Could Disrupt System - Cybersecurity
040809 Obama looks at climate engineering
040809 Obama to Push Immigration Bill Despite the Risks - NYTimes
040909 The Associated Press/ 10 Holy Cross priests object to Obama invitation
040909 The Elephant in the Room/ Obama vs. United States | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/09/2009
040909 Glenn Thrush's Blog/ Bachus says there's 17 'socialists' in House - POLITICO
041109 Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists - washingtonpost
041209 Barrack Obama brother Samson Obama refused entry to UK over allegations of attempted sex attack on young girl | News | News Of The World
041209 Texas sovereignty DRUDGE REPORT/ TEXAS GOV. BACK RESOLUTION AFFIRMING SOVEREIGNTY 2009
041509 World Agenda/ Nicolas Sarkozy puts Barack Obama in the doghouse - Times Online
041609 Obama consulted widely on memos - Mike Allen - POLITICO
041609 Jesus Missing From Obama's Georgetown Speech | NBC Washington
041609 CNSNews.com - Georgetown Says It Covered Over Name of Jesus to Comply With White House Request
041709 If Chavez initiates talks, Obama would likely agree, Gibbs says - CNN
041809 GOP govs hammer Obama - First Read - msnbc
031709 Top Dem 'dumbfounded' by 'extremism' report - Washington Times
041709 EPA takes first step toward climate change regs
041709 Obama, Chavez shake hands at summit-Venezuela govt | Markets | Reuters
041909 Obama Endures Ortega Diatribe - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews
041909 Ex-CIA chief/ Obama risks national security - CNN
042109 Inspector General Neil Barofsky reports to Congress - Apr. 21, 2009
042109 CIA Confirms/ Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
042109 WH communications director leaving - Washington Times
042209 NYT/ Harsh techniques worked, intel chief says - White House- msnbc
042209 Border comments spark diplomatic kerfuffle
042209 No Holds Barred/ Why does Obama smile at dictators? | Columnists | Jerusalem Post
042309 FDA OKs 'morning-after' pill for 17-year-olds
042709 POLITICO 44 | A Living Diary of the Obama Presidency
042709 Military Jets Flying Over NYC Part Of Photo Shoot - wcbstv
042809 Barack's in the basement - Washington Times
043009 My Way News - FACT CHECK/ Obama disowns deficit he helped shape
043009 Unemployment Up Again In Chicago In March, From 9.2 To 9.4 Percent - cbs2chicago
043009 The Associated Press/ Holder urges allies to take share of detainees
043009 Biden would avoid subways, planes after swine flu outbreak - Carol E. Lee and Amie Parnes - POLITICO
050109 First Lady Michelle Obama steps out in Lanvin sneakers and they're only $540!
050209 Obama revelling in U.S. power unseen in decades | Motoring | Reuters
050409 White House Denies Charge By Attorney that Administration Threatened to Destroy Investment Firm's Reputation* - Political Punch
050409 White House Denies Claims of Threat to Chrysler Creditor - DealBook Blog - NYTimes
050609 House bypasses governor’s veto to claim Oklahoma’s sovereignty | NewsOK
050609 Obama to be prayer day no-show - Washington Times
051309 U.S. Eyes Bank Pay Overhaul - WSJ
051509 My Way News - Obama's barbed words worry corporate world
051509 Trade Wars Brewing in Economic Malaise - washingtonpost
051509 Obama Says U.S. Long-Term Debt Load ‘Unsustainable’ (Update2) - Bloomberg
051509 China's yuan 'set to usurp US dollar' as world's reserve currency - Telegraph
051509 Panetta to CIA employees/ We told Pelosi the truth - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO
051509 RealClearPolitics - Video - White House Dodges Question About Pelosi
051809 Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews
052009 The end of the great American gas guzzler as Obama gets set to unveil toughest U.S. policy ever on fuel | Mail Online
052109 CNN Political Ticker/ All politics, all the time Blog Archive - CNN Poll/ Favorable opinion of Dick Cheney on the rise « - Blogs from CNN
052109 Flip-Flops and Governance - WSJ
052109 Obama 'Distracted' by Biden's 'Indiscipline,' Book Asserts - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews
052109 Obama Flubs Defense Chief's Name
052209 Obama produces own news reports. Do You Want Your OTV? - Political Punch
052209 Upholding values will shield US from terror/ Obama
052509 Obama says North Korea nuclear test a grave concern | Politics | Reuters
052609 Obama picks Sotomayor for high court
052609 Senator Mitch McConnell - Press Releases
052609 Obama picks supreme court justice First Read - msnbc.com.webarchive
052609 The Case Against Sotomayor
052609 Obama To Announce Sonia Sotomayor Supreme Court Nominee To Replace Justice David Souter - wcbstv
052609 Sotomayor’s View of Judging Is on the Record - NYTimes
052609 Obama ducks promise to delay bill signings - Washington Times
052709 North Korea Threatens Armed Strike, End to Armistice (Update1) - Bloomberg
052709 Russia fears Korea conflict could go nuclear
052809 Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look
052709 Sotomayor reversed 60% by high court - Washington Times
052709 TheHill.com - Critics focus on Sotomayor speech in La Raza journal
052709 American Thinker Blog/ Did Chrysler play politics with dealer closings?
052909 - North Korea fires new type of missile
053009 In which the president discovers an American intelligence agency at Five Guys - Ben Smith - POLITICO
033009 American capitalism gone with a whimper - Pravda
060209 Obama says US cannot impose its values/ BBC interview
060209 The 31-Year-Old in Charge of Dismantling G.M. - NYTimes
060209 Laughed at - Geithner backs strong dlr, says China's assets safe | Markets | Markets News | Reuters
060209 The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots - Political Punch
060209 Obama says Iran's energy concerns legitimate
060309 U.S. Releases Secret Nuclear List by Accident - Political News - FOXNews
060309 Obama declares June 'LGBT Pride Month' (OneNewsNow
060409 Obama/ U.S. 'not at war with Islam' - CNN
060409 Obama calls for new beginning between U.S., Muslims | Reuters
060409 The Tonight Show With … President Obama? - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes
060509 Rift With Germany Is Next on Diplomatic Agenda | Gainesville.com | The Gainesville Sun | Gainesville, FL
060509 Jobless rate hits 9.4 percent in May; layoffs slow - Yahoo! Finance
060809 Obama promises summer speedup of economic effort
060909 62 million americans have no voice
060909 Gingrich at Fundraiser Says Obama’s ‘Already Failed’ (Update1) - Bloomberg
060909 My Way News - Obama repackages stimulus plans with old promises
060909 McGurn/ The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims - WSJ'
061009 Some Israelis Insulted By Obama Picture | World Watch - CBS News
061009 Palau to take Guantanamo's Chinese detainees - Yahoo! News
061009 morrisdailyherald.com | Obama’s support of adoption is questionable
061009 Miranda rights for terrorists
061209 My Way News - Obama taps more big donors for ambassadorships

 

[Disposable Heart]

I didnt vote for Obama, but I like some liberal view points. I am for education and social spending. I like EXTENDED healthcare, not necessarily socialized however.

I think that one thing that needs to be pointed out regarding Muslims is that the Quran (spelling folks, spelling) says nothing about killing in regards to Jihad. Jihad is the spread of Islam. Believe what Rush wants you to believe, but that is how it is actually interpreted and inacted. HOWEVER, it is the radicals that twist Islam to get folks to join their murderous crusades (mostly as they are cowardly to do it themselves) that give it the murderous denotation. They read the Quran, but then give their views of what it should be, plus couple that with the general illiteracy of some Islamic nations, they hold what the nutcase says is true.

Nothing anti gun said, but that is a good thing. Means the OP is willing to defend their right to free speach, enjoys their views, but will fight to the death to defend them. It is difficult to find a liberal that is against gun control. Celebrate it. Plus, this nation was founded on people having intellectual discourse. Discourse, despite what people think it to be (once again, connotation), is simply organized and free exchange of ideas. We aren't here to "pound it into their heads" or "show them they are wrong". Hell, I tolerate those against abortion and I dont sit here and point out they are wrong, but those who are against seem to want to call my position wrong.

The nation is crumbling and quickly following the social situation of France before WW2. We are letting extremes begin to run the nation. We need more moderates, both sides of the aisle. France crumbled during WW2 as they let ultra liberal and ultra conservatives have rampant run of the government. While nothing completely wrong, nothing got done. No ORGANIZED (the Maginot doesnt count) defense of France could be enacted as quibbling in their government halls prevented action and crippled the military. Having a closed mind and inaction to understand that there are others out there and other view points (solipsism), then we are doomed to live someone ELSE'S doomed history.

My two cents, adjusted HEAVILY for inflation!

 

[ATM]

How courteously we treat liberty of opinion around here will speak volumes about how we truly value our freedom of speech.

We can discuss and, yes... even play nicely.

 

[henktermaat]

How courteously we treat liberty of opinion around here will speak volumes about how we truly value our freedom of speech.

We can discuss and, yes... even play nicely.

This.

Liberty and freedom is a hallowed standard. You don't find that on leftie forums.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

Since you're obviously looking to compare notes, here are mine.

Ron in Black.
Paco in Red.

1. I don't think all Muslims are terrorists. I think extremists on either side are likely to be terrorists.

I agree. Not all Christians were Crusaders. Let each stand for his crimes. Do not carpet bomb.
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2. I'm pro-choice.

That's a very general stance.
My Stance is that the FEDERAL government shouldn't be involved. Beyond that, I don't have a vagina, so I don't care. I do believe the morning-after pill to be perfectly acceptable.
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3. I don't think the sky is falling and don't believe that hyperinflation will occur in the near future.

I hope you're right. You might want to buy a few gallons of water just in case analysts & history are right though.
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4. I think climate change is happening and that humans share some of the responsibility for that.

Do you truly believe that humans effect the Earth more than our Sun's irregular cycle? Do ya think, just maybe, that a few degrees difference is a normal event in our planet's & solar system's cycle?

I do think we need to take reasonable steps to curb the various types of pollution & deforestation we perpetrate. I do not think we need to enter into entangling treaties to accomplish this.
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5. I think evolution is as good of a theory as the theory of gravity.

I agree that evolution is real. I also challenge you to tell me where all of the matter in the universe came from & why it banged. I believe that evolution is the rule-set God has created for His game of life.
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6. Let gays marry, why not?

Remind me why our governments are involved in marriage? Tracking & control? Oh yeah.

MY marriage is a Christian marriage. We did have it rubber-stamped by the state, but only because I was 20 at the time & that was the way things are done. I don't know that I would do it differently today, but I think we need to push this government control out of our lives.

As far as same sex lifestyles go, I don't care. Do not expect me to accept it as normal & do not expect special treatment. I really don't care what your private parts do for vocation or hobby, so long as it's mutually (or group) consensual.
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7. I don't think Ron Paul is that awesome, yes he has some good ideas but he has just as many wacky ones.

My opinion is that Ron Paul, if viewed correctly by history, may just be the greatest American politician of our time.

You apparently believe that Liberty is just the name of some green chick in New York.

If you could, please, enumerate Dr. Paul's ideas which you believe to be 'wacky'.
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8. I don't think there is a liberal bias in the media as much the media is just stupid and irrelevant lately.

I believe that corporate media is being controlled by the same people who are controlling lobbyists & most television programming. <insert NWO conspiracy here>

I nearly rolled over in my own grave when I read Rupert Murdoch's confession about biasing his news coverage to support his political beliefs.

What more can I say? Bias exists.
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9. I don't think taxation is that horrible.

Which taxation? All of it?

Do you really believe you should be taxed on your income when you earn it, when you save it, & when you spend it? The same money is taxed a minimum of two times if you live paycheck to paycheck. If you spend your money on things which a city council, state congress, or capitol hill deems "a sin", then you pay even more taxes on the money you've already been taxed on.
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10. I like the idea of "socialized" healthcare.

I do too. I do not like the hair-brained methods which have been proposed to achieve it. I also don't like the fact that huge corporations are raking in money hand-over-fist by prolonging treatments & not seeking cures.

On the one hand, it's inhumane to believe someone should die because they can't afford care. On the other hand, it's ridiculous to think that I should have to pay enormous sums for extreme attempts to prolong an obviously failing life.

I personally believe that limits on malpractice claims & government oversight over the medical billing & insurance industries would go a long way toward making medical care easily affordable for most citizens.

As it is, the insurance provided by my small employer, if I elected to pay for it, would cost my wife & I $4200 per year, with a $2500 deductable, each, before receiving any benefits. There is also no prescription coverage available. I choose to not pay for this coverage & trust that my family & friends will be there if I truly need them & I'll pay whichever hospital I may be in debt to as much as I can manage for the rest of my life, if necessary. But $9200/yr (including deductables) is ridiculous & I won't pay it.

Those of you who currently have good coverage are in for a rude awakening if you lose your tenured positions with large companies.

Reform is needed. Standing in 3 mile long lines for anti-biotics is not.

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Edit: I wanted to add that I think long-standing medical patents are unethical & a sizable reason for enormous medical expenses.

 

[Hoosier8]

Where's Ron?

 

[Hoosier8]

I voted for Obama

So did my boss, but at least she has the good sense to regret it now.

 

[Hoosier Gun Coat]

I have a Sig Mosquito with a silencer. I've been shooting sub sonics through it and have been geting unreliable feeding and ejection. Any ideas??

 

[tyler34]

I have a Sig Mosquito with a silencer. I've been shooting sub sonics through it and have been geting unreliable feeding and ejection. Any ideas??

you should have voted obama

 

[henktermaat]

I have a Sig Mosquito with a silencer. I've been shooting sub sonics through it and have been geting unreliable feeding and ejection. Any ideas??

It's clear that you need to clean out those mosquitoes before you shoot... and keep a can of OFF handy

 

[Lt. Commander]

Ron hasn't done anything more than express points of view which may not be popular here. Telling him to go shut up is disrespectful and uncalled for.

Copy that...!!!


Scott

 

[henktermaat]

 

[tyler34]

Ron hasn't done anything more than express points of view which may not be popular here. Telling him to go shut up is disrespectful and uncalled for.

he made statements in a hit and run post. he did not explain anything about why he believes those statements. he knew full well what he was getting into. but I do agree about telling him to shutup being uncalled for. I for one want nothing more than some good dialogue on this subject simply because there is none here. what a better way to convert a liberal than to find out why he believes what he believes.

 

[hoosiertriangle]

I agree that Ron should have given more than a drive by, but sometimes a one-time drive by is sufficient to get them to return if the experiences is not what they expected. Many people just don't know how to talk/interact on a forum and just don't operate like they should. I'd prefer we give him the benefit of the doubt prior to deeming him a troll and writing him off first.

It's a shame to be written off for doing nothing more than making an unpopular and unsupported opinion once.

he made statements in a hit and run post. he did not explain anything about why he believes those statements. he knew full well what he was getting into. but I do agree about telling him to shutup being uncalled for. I for one want nothing more than some good dialogue on this subject simply because there is none here. what a better way to convert a liberal than to find out why he believes what he believes.

 

[Bubba]

1. I don't think all Muslims are terrorists. I think extremists on either side are likely to be terrorists. I think you have to be "extreme" even for your run-of-the-mill extremists to be a likely terrorist, otherwise a fair statement.
2. I'm pro-choice. The slogan "Keep your laws off my body" resonates strongly with me, and keeps me from falling firmly in the pro-life camp. I am only in favor of abortion if the mother is in danger, but only so long as there is a firm medical standard for it. I mean if it's pretty damn sure that momma is going to die from carrying the baby, well, a dead mother doesn't do an unborn child a lick of good. I don't agree with this "mental health" BS.
3. I don't think the sky is falling and don't believe that hyperinflation will occur in the near future. OK, but to pull that off we need an immediate and almost total freeze of all federal spending, or an astronomical tax rate.
4. I think climate change is happening and that humans share some of the responsibility for that. Did you notice that there was a huge and scientifically proven problem with "global warming" until the global temperature started dropping and it became "climate change"? Or that it was barely a blip on the news radar when the laboratory Al Gore gets his data from realized last fall that the international temperature data used in their models wasn't even the temp data from the correct month?
5. I think evolution is as good of a theory as the theory of gravity. OK.
6. Let gays marry, why not? I'll just put a big +1 on the whole "get government out of the marriage business" viewpoint. It isn't fair to say that gays can't take advantage of the tax and insurance incentives that come with the "married" status when a gay couple can form just as firm or chaotic a bond as any straight couple. Either remove the tax incentives for straight married people, or devise a method to give the actuarial benefits to gay couples who have "settled down".
7. I don't think Ron Paul is that awesome, yes he has some good ideas but he has just as many wacky ones. I'm with you there. He's a smart guy, and his speeches start with some great ideas but then he just keeps going further and further off the deep end.
8. I don't think there is a liberal bias in the media as much the media is just stupid and irrelevant lately. I won't say there's a huge, organized, malicious agenda in most instances, but to say there's no bias is unfathomable to me.
9. I don't think taxation is that horrible. You lost me on this one. For a second I thought you said that taxation wasn't that horrible.
10. I like the idea of "socialized" healthcare. See #9

Reps to Ron for not folding to our local brand of groupthink. One additional question I would like to ask is, what is your current perception of Obama's policies and performance? Are there any areas you do not agree with him?

 

[Paco Bedejo]

How courteously we treat liberty of opinion around here will speak volumes about how we truly value our freedom of speech.

We can discuss and, yes... even play nicely.

Well put. If you don't like Ron's opinions, open a dialogue, don't bash.

As recently as 18 months ago, I was with Ron on a lot of those opinions & didn't understand why anyone who lived in a nice neighborhood would want a firearm...

It was primarily Ron Paul's campaign & following last year's election on the POTUS XM Station (bought a new car that had XM with that station for free) that changed my world view & helped me to solidify my opinion on things I feel are important.

My wife's trying to keep up

But, intelligent people's opinions change when they're presented with intelligent arguments. Always keep that in mind.

 

[Boilers]

Yeah. To refresh your memory of his actions, just see my list. You can mark each one LIKE or DISLIKE or NEITHER.

 

[tyler34]

I agree that Ron should have given more than a drive by, but sometimes a one-time drive by is sufficient to get them to return if the experiences is not what they expected. Many people just don't know how to talk/interact on a forum and just don't operate like they should. I'd prefer we give him the benefit of the doubt prior to deeming him a troll and writing him off first.

It's a shame to be written off for doing nothing more than making an unpopular and unsupported opinion once.

I gave him that benefit but honestly he knew he would be vilified for that post and had no rebuttal if your gonna do something like that you had better stay and explain yourself. which at this point, if it looks like a duck...