Wouldn't notifying occupant of why you stopped them made things 10 times easierOK, devil's advocate, from the officer's perspective:
Stopped car fitting description of recent blah, blah blah. (Just guessing here since we don't know why Chef was stopped, do we?) Subject was evasive to questioning and carrying at least two handguns. Not knowing what else was in the vehicle, separated driver from the vehicle and his weapons. As a precautionary measure, cuffed the subject and performed a cursory check of the vehicle for other weapons. Upon further investigation Mr. Chef produced valid DL, vehicle registration and LTCH. No wants or warrants, so Mr. Chef was allowed to recover his handguns and be on his way. Total time of stop was less than 10 minutes.
Not saying I agree with the handcuffs and search. Once Chef was out of the vehicle, searching for weapons in the car wasn't really necessary. Cuffing during a search is a prudent measure though. No one likes to get whacked from behind. As I've posted before, as soon as the weapons were declared, officer could have told Chef to leave them where they are and produce his LTCH.
Wouldn't notifying occupant of why you stopped them made things 10 times easier
....he had no right to cuff and disarm the OP unless there is more to this story that hasn't come out.
He never even thought anout giving me a warning or a break on the speed.
It would... if you had a valid reason.
Perhaps, but it's not a good idea to walk up to a car and announce "I stopped you because you fit the description of a serial burglar."Wouldn't notifying occupant of why you stopped them made things 10 times easier
Perhaps, but it's not a good idea to walk up to a car and announce "I stopped you because you fit the description of a serial burglar."
Wouldn't you have pulled this person from the car immediately if that were so to prevent a fleeing perpetrator? IMO if someone is acting otherwise innocently notifying them for the reason they were pulled over would help diffuse the situation. It also establishes the fact that the officer had probable cause for the stop in the first place other than he was bored.
...Yes you have rights, But if you avoid answering a question, the officer also has the right to be suspicious. He doesn't know where your going or what your doing out, For all he knows you just robbed someone, you haven't proved him otherwise yet...(snip)
Only criminals have something to hide.
I still don't get whats wrong with answering the simple question on where your going....
Everyone says "I OC because only criminals have something to hide"
By avoiding answering the question, The officer can ONLY assume your hiding something.
Thus INGO Logic, Your a criminal
Right?
Officers do not have rights. free people do.
Because it's none of the cop's business if I haven't committed a crime.
Because the law doesn't mandate that I reveal it.
Because I don't wanna.
FWIW, it's not just small talk. The cop isn't being civil. He'd talk about the weather or something. Those questions have a purpose and they presume some level of guilt at the outset. I personally have a problem with that.
LOL He pulled you over, You did SOMETHING WRONG. Could be speeding, Could be your vehicle matches the description of a armed robbery that happened 5 min ago, AND you happen to have a gun. The questions do have a purpose, Did you just rob a bank? Or are you heading home from work?
....If your on a sunday cruse, tell the officer your on a sunday cruse. Duh?
"I dont wanna"
its like im talking to 10 year olds.
And just to be clear....If he left the door open, the officer can legally search anything in site, Unless he was moving things he doesn't need a warrant, or probable cause. He can poke his head around all he wants.
AND as of this year, any officer may look in your glovebox, without permission.
Believe it or not, that requires you to get in the car. You just cant be looking under seats and crap. Cmon guys, don't fight a law you don't actually know.
Oh, and probable cause can be ANYTHING. All you say is You have 2 guns, BEFORE you say you have a permit.... Anyone would be defensive. Its like common sense.
Could also be that he is simply fishing. If I get pulled over for speeding, then I expect to get a ticket for speeding. If I don't, bonus. What I don't need to do is justify my existence to anyone, especially the officer. What I'm doing, where I'm going, etc is simply none of his business. He isn't my parent or my priest so I don't have to tell him anything. Because I don't have to, I won't.
It has nothing to do with acting ten years old. It has everything to do with my value of privacy.
Btw, I would love to read up on our newest loss of rights. Do you have any vase law that I could look at?