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How to Handle Traffic Stops While Carrying
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Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Have we got some stories for you. Everything from having their own guns pointed back at them when Officer Schmuckatelli or Deputy Cledus is trying to get the mag out of a Walther P99 (they even jump up and down trying) to taking guns apart.
No. Don't do it. Stop trying to get pats on the head for being a "card-carrying good guy" or whatever sheep-hitting, pipe dog crap is going around now.
Sheepdog, silence thy own self:
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Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Originally Posted by mkryan
...I can't for the life of me come up with a good reason to remain silent on it (if directly asked) if your a legal gunowner.
Because you don't want to get shot with your own gun? Because the less admin gun handling on I-74 at 2:00AM on a February morning, the better.
Or, you can use my example, because the cop will take your 1911 and turn it over and over like he is on set on 2001 and miss the 2 other guns that you have on you (a Kahr P9 and a Smith M638).
HubertGummer
Master
Kirk, I can't seem to figure out where you stand on this subject. Can you try to be more clear.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
1. Stop talking. I have file drawers full of people that talk too much. Don't speak. Not a single word. (NOTE: not talking is not the same as being a dick. See #2 and 3]
If you guys want to talk to cops, buy them breakfast or coffee or something, not while you are detained. If you are detained, shut up. If you want to talk to them like you are a good buddy and want the pat on the head, then go buy them lunch or something. I mean I bought an INGO cop cookies in Broad Ripple and all I got was a hard time so be advised.
2. Do not lie to the police, this is facilitated by . . . shutting the shut up!
3. Do not argue or resist the police in any way. Just sit there. It's an OV or an IF. It is nothing. If you cared you would have obeyed the traffic code. If you want to care more about OVs or IFs, learn the traffic code and comply. Use knowledge as a sword, not as a land mine waiting to hurt you.
Yeah, other than this 67 page thread:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ussion/417033-another-police-shooting-mn.html
Y'see Kirk, there are 3 kinds of people: wolves, sheep, and people who were tacticool in 2011, sheepdogs in 2014, and currently looking for a new nickname for their self-aggrandizement...
...and I'm surprised that no one has informed the good lone-star officer that having a LTCH in Indiana does not mean anything when it comes to training.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Wait . . . is this Kirk's First Law of the Internet, the law in Texas is the law everywhere? I think rhino owes me a case of .45acp because you typed this?
That's still a bad idea. I didn't typically ask about firearms, so if I did, there was something that just didn't sit right with me. If one chooses to simply stay silent, then that would make me think there might be an issue. I'd start another car, wait until they arrived, and then we would order the driver out of the car. Keep in mind, you (the driver) never really know "why" an officer has pulled you over until the stop has concluded. I've pulled over lots of people, more substantial reasons, but told them another legal reason for stopping them. You never tip your hand, until you absolutely have to.
Let's person is DWS-prior, and I pull them over an expired plate. I'd approach the driver, talk to him, and ask if he has weapons. He stays silent. Now, in my mind, I'm thinking this guy KNOWS he's suspended (many people don't know) and that he's working out a plan. I'm calling backup and getting him out of the car. IF he does have a firearm, rather than being a cite and release, he's going to jail, his car will be searched, and towed.
I've taken more people to jail for this whole "don't talk to police" stuff than I could possibly count. There is no fast and hard rule on it. It simply depends on the situation.
The joke used to be, "lawyers tell you to 'shut up,' because they want you to go to jail, so you have to hire one of them."
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Didn't I put you on double secret probation for something earlier?
Your sanction for your probation violation is having rhino "help" you around the house all weekend.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Don't care what the cops think. Don't care about the pat on the head.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
Didn't we cover this? Have your stuff in order? I think we did.
Kirk Freeman
Grandmaster
#3 and #4. Have all your papers in order and know the traffic code.
I have not been pulled over in several years, but from experience, I would add that if you are not happy with your ticket or merely want to get out of paying it, show up in court. You have the right to go to court. If the officer does not show up, you will likely get to walk away free and clear. In some places, you have good odds that the officer will not show up.
If the officer shows up then accept the fact that it is not your lucky day, plead guilty, and pay the fine. I don't think you will have to pay more for going to court.
When the officer hands you a ticket, take comfort in the fact that it is not the end of it. Don't give any indication you will go to court or say something stupid like "See you in court."
If you want to improve your odds, leave a large box of doughnuts on the courthouse steps about fifteen minutes before your time to appear. Be sure to write on the box "Thankyou Heros."
If the officer shows up then accept the fact that it is not your lucky day, plead guilty, and pay the fine. I don't think you will have to pay more for going to court.
When the officer hands you a ticket, take comfort in the fact that it is not the end of it. Don't give any indication you will go to court or say something stupid like "See you in court."
If you want to improve your odds, leave a large box of doughnuts on the courthouse steps about fifteen minutes before your time to appear. Be sure to write on the box "Thankyou Heros."
And I THINK some jurisdictions tack on "court costs" to the fine if you show up to fight and lose. At least I think that is what I saw on one of my tickets, but that has *knocks on wood* been many years ago.
It seems like this was challenged in Indianapolis/Marion County and they had did change their policy. I do not recall the specifics.
I think this answers the question. This Indiana BMV site says you don't pay extra if you fight your ticket and are found guilty.
https://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/traffic-ticket-fines-and-penalties.php
"Nothing illegal"!Piggybacking on Bubba, if he asks a general VAGUE question like "anything in the car I need to be concerned about?" is it illegal to say "no officer" if you are carrying a concealed firearm legally that he should not see during the course of your interaction? After all if you have the gun legally and arent planning to use it, he has nothing to be concerned about. Right?
I assume its illegal to lie to a cop and it would be a bad thing if he asks "any weapons in the vehicle?" and you say "no" while carrying. But given the vague question, are you really lying? After all, he also doesnt have to worry about the fire extinguisher in my trunk that theoretically could be used as a bludgeon.
