Greenwood mall shooting

[Keith_Indy]

So many boys who don't have strong male role models in their life.

I think the evidence calls us to befriend those strange boys from fatherless families. So, if you see that strange kid at the range or in the neighborhood try to be a mentor.

 

[Ingomike]

Much like the MJ thread...

Correlation <> Causation

Do criminals (including murderers) often come from broken homes? Yes.
Do broken homes CAUSE someone to murder? No. At least, not 100% guarantee.

Would increasing the number of healthy, intact families (and decreasing the number of broken/unhealthy families) reduce the number of people who commit crimes? I suspect the data supports this.

We are discussing young mass murderers not criminals at large.

 

[Ingomike]

Isn’t it ironic that we are having an almost identical discussion in threads about mass murder, pizza delivery, and year-round school.

 

[DragonGunner]

If you are subjected to a daily heavy dose of WTAF is happening in my life has it will tear the sole out of the weak of heart and mind. It is a contributing factor. A serious one.
Who really knows what makes the mind crumble and break. With some it’s not a lot outside the normal we we all see.
Who knows what goes in behind the closed doors of the house across the street.

Good and evil are in the heart. All hearts no matter the up bringing. I won’t use a excuse that some kid abused horriable has to commit acts of murder when there are millions same story and don’t. I was of yours and others opinion but as the years roll by I just not buying it. That 20 yr. Old shooter was long past his childhood and living on his own. The $@@@&&”! Still has freewill…. He used it for evil. I feel sorry for abused neglected children. It’s horrible… I know first hand on the attempts to literally kill me 3 times by family member at age 8, so I don’t comment lightly. I didn’t chose to be evil. But I could be wrong completely…. Lol…. Just my own opinion.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Good and evil are in the heart. All hearts no matter the up bringing. I won’t use a excuse that some kid abused horriable has to commit acts of murder when there are millions same story and don’t. I was of yours and others opinion but as the years roll by I just not buying it. That 20 yr. Old shooter was long past his childhood and living on his own. The $@@@&&”! Still has freewill…. He used it for evil. I feel sorry for abused neglected children. It’s horrible… I know first hand on the attempts to literally kill me 3 times by family member at age 8, so I don’t comment lightly. I didn’t chose to be evil. But I could be wrong completely…. Lol…. Just my own opinion.

In the past I'd agree with you on the "long past his childhood and living on his own" to a certain extent. However, I've made the observation that men really don't emotionally mature until at least 25 years old. Now, this is only with men my age and younger, and obviously doesn't apply universally. A corollary data point would be auto insurance rates going down for males when they turn 25 (or so.)

Sorry for the abuse/neglect you received from family. I'm guessing, when you got out of there, you didn't hole up in an apartment with few friends, compare your life to the fake lives of others on social media or be told at every avenue that you were less of a person because you were male.

I keep reminding my son that social media isn't real life, it's a filtered in content, so only the best moments are there.

Ultimately, yes, we choose our actions, good or evil.

 

[nonobaddog]

I still don't see why some choose evil like the Greenwood guy did - it doesn't seem to pay well.

 

[HoughMade]

Good and evil are in the heart. All hearts no matter the up bringing. I won’t use a excuse that some kid abused horriable has to commit acts of murder when there are millions same story and don’t. I was of yours and others opinion but as the years roll by I just not buying it. That 20 yr. Old shooter was long past his childhood and living on his own. The $@@@&&”! Still has freewill…. He used it for evil. I feel sorry for abused neglected children. It’s horrible… I know first hand on the attempts to literally kill me 3 times by family member at age 8, so I don’t comment lightly. I didn’t chose to be evil. But I could be wrong completely…. Lol…. Just my own opinion.

Reasons are not necessarily excuses.

 

[gregr]

Good and evil are in the heart. All hearts no matter the up bringing. I won’t use a excuse that some kid abused horriable has to commit acts of murder when there are millions same story and don’t. I was of yours and others opinion but as the years roll by I just not buying it. That 20 yr. Old shooter was long past his childhood and living on his own. The $@@@&&”! Still has freewill…. He used it for evil. I feel sorry for abused neglected children. It’s horrible… I know first hand on the attempts to literally kill me 3 times by family member at age 8, so I don’t comment lightly. I didn’t chose to be evil. But I could be wrong completely…. Lol…. Just my own opinion.

A LOT of these shooters are victims of the participation trophy generations. They reacted when life didn`t didn`t out a "trophy", and they had zero coping skills when faced with even the slightest bit of adversity.
And without doubt, fatherless, broken homes play a huge part in the creation of these monsters. Libs destroyed the traditional family and scrubbed God clean from the public square, THIS is their utopia.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

Stop calling the P.O.S. who murdered people “the shooter.” Call him the KILLER or MURDERER.

Eli was also a shooter. Anyone who goes to a range and fires their weapon is a shooter.

Don’t let your language put them on equal footing.

Controlling the language is one of the most important weapons of the left/Progressives.

George Orwell/Eric Blair captured the power of controlling language in his far sighted novels 1984 and Animal Farm.

Control of language is control over thought.

You do not need much physical power to control a large population if you control their view of reality.

 

[gregr]

Controlling the language is one of the most important weapons of the left/Progressives.

George Orwell/Eric Blair captured the power of controlling language in his far sighted novels 1984 and Animal Farm.

Control of language is control over thought.

You do not need much physical power to control a large population if you control their view of reality.

The phrase "the shooter" is understood by everyone to mean the perpetrator. It`s semantics, and of no consequence to use that phraseology. If you want to get into semantics that matter, let`s start will "immigrants", vs illegal aliens. THERE we`re on to something.

 

[DragonGunner]

In the past I'd agree with you on the "long past his childhood and living on his own" to a certain extent. However, I've made the observation that men really don't emotionally mature until at least 25 years old. Now, this is only with men my age and younger, and obviously doesn't apply universally. A corollary data point would be auto insurance rates going down for males when they turn 25 (or so.)

Sorry for the abuse/neglect you received from family. I'm guessing, when you got out of there, you didn't hole up in an apartment with few friends, compare your life to the fake lives of others on social media or be told at every avenue that you were less of a person because you were male.

I keep reminding my son that social media isn't real life, it's a filtered in content, so only the best moments are there.

Ultimately, yes, we choose our actions, good or evil.

Lol… what was social media in the 60’s? Appreciate your comments though!

 

[Keith_Indy]

Lol… what was social media in the 60’s? Appreciate your comments though!

Notes passed in classroom, writing on the bathroom stalls, locker room gossip

But, kind of my point though. Kids today have a different experience growing up which we don't know enough about.

Over-medicated, under-socialized, at once praised for being a unique individual worthy of unearned praised and respect, and vilified for being a male.

 

[nonobaddog]

The phrase "the shooter" is understood by everyone to mean the perpetrator. It`s semantics, and of no consequence to use that phraseology. If you want to get into semantics that matter, let`s start will "immigrants", vs illegal aliens. THERE we`re on to something.

See... It is working on you.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

The phrase "the shooter" is understood by everyone to mean the perpetrator. It`s semantics, and of no consequence to use that phraseology. If you want to get into semantics that matter, let`s start will "immigrants", vs illegal aliens. THERE we`re on to something.

That the phrase "the shooter" has become accepted is exactly the point. Shooter could as easily had a positive connotation. But usage such as this has and is agglomerating "shooter" with negative connotations. Proper usage would be "killer" or "murderer" or "accused" or "suspect".

This is classic manipulation of the mind through word usage.

 

[gregr]

That the phrase "the shooter" has become accepted is exactly the point. Shooter could as easily had a positive connotation. But usage such as this has and is agglomerating "shooter" with negative connotations. Proper usage would be "killer" or "murderer" or "accused" or "suspect".

This is classic manipulation of the mind through word usage.

I don`t see it that way, but no worries.

 

[nonobaddog]

Lol… what was social media in the 60’s? Appreciate your comments though!

Social in the 60's was talking to each other. Much of Social now is dependent on media devices.

Just because there wasn't media involved does not mean any less social. In many ways it was much more social. There was immediate feedback if you were an as*****. There were real consequences if you were an as*****. Much of that is missing in media. So heavy media users have a more obscure trip learning what is socially acceptable in the real world of face-to-face people.

Kids today think they have something in social media that older generations didn't have - too bad they don't see what they are missing.

 

[chipbennett]

That the phrase "the shooter" has become accepted is exactly the point. Shooter could as easily had a positive connotation. But usage such as this has and is agglomerating "shooter" with negative connotations. Proper usage would be "killer" or "murderer" or "accused" or "suspect".

This is classic manipulation of the mind through word usage.

"Shooter" is an accurate description, among many accurate descriptions. While the average public school student may now be dumbed down to Newspeak levels, I generally assume that INGO posters are intelligent enough to understand meaning from both the words used and the context.

"Shooter" is morally neutral, because shooting is morally neutral. It is the purpose/intent behind the action that ascribes a moral aspect to the action. One shooter that day was bent on evil and murder; one shooter was dedicated to saving lives.

I choose not to use the names of such evil actors, so as not to contribute to the notoriety the so desperately seek. But I will not contribute to the dumbing down of language and communication.

 

[KG1]

"Shooter" is an accurate description, among many accurate descriptions. While the average public school student may now be dumbed down to Newspeak levels, I generally assume that INGO posters are intelligent enough to understand meaning from both the words used and the context.

"Shooter" is morally neutral, because shooting is morally neutral. It is the purpose/intent behind the action that ascribes a moral aspect to the action. One shooter that day was bent on evil and murder; one shooter was dedicated to saving lives.

I choose not to use the names of such evil actors, so as not to contribute to the notoriety the so desperately seek. But I will not contribute to the dumbing down of language and communication.

Typically, in these situations the good guy with gun isn't referred to as a "shooter" So the terminology is obviously referring to the bad guy.

 

[nonobaddog]

"Shooter" is an accurate description, among many accurate descriptions. While the average public school student may now be dumbed down to Newspeak levels, I generally assume that INGO posters are intelligent enough to understand meaning from both the words used and the context.

"Shooter" is morally neutral, because shooting is morally neutral. It is the purpose/intent behind the action that ascribes a moral aspect to the action. One shooter that day was bent on evil and murder; one shooter was dedicated to saving lives.

I choose not to use the names of such evil actors, so as not to contribute to the notoriety the so desperately seek. But I will not contribute to the dumbing down of language and communication.

"Shooter" is less accurate than it could be. Shooter covers a wide spectrum. This less than optimal accuracy is intentionally applied to this nut-case killer by the media.
The effect this has on the reader has nothing to do with INGO. Their target audience is not INGO but rather the dumbed down populace they helped create.

"Shooter" is morally neutral

This is also intentional. This is exactly why the term shooter is used. They are trying to reduce the negative response by not calling him a killer or some more accurate descriptive word for murdering three innocent people.

 

[nonobaddog]

As a bonus they are also shifting the connotation of the word "shooter" by associating it with this heinous act.

Now when they talk about a common activity at a range they can use the term "shooter" and hopefully confer some of that negative connotation on all of us.