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[Alpo]

Can Indianapolis mayors be recalled?

 

[churchmouse]

Can Indianapolis mayors be recalled?

Brother I wish/hope so.

 

[bwframe]

Can Indianapolis mayors be recalled?

Not when they got 70% of the vote.

 

[jsx1043]

Andre Carson just posted on his FB that he will be introducing legislation NATIONWIDE for all police officers to wear body cams.

 

[Sigblitz]

Another fine representative.

 

[dusty88]

The Twitter-sphere says this was in Indy:

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268391718086422528

 

[Tombs]

Andre Carson just posted on his FB that he will be introducing legislation NATIONWIDE for all police officers to wear body cams.

How do you feel about body cams?
From my perspective, it seems to save them more than hurt them. Especially now with the culture of automatically assuming the office was in the wrong in every instance.

 

[Ingomike]

Andre Carson just posted on his FB that he will be introducing legislation NATIONWIDE for all police officers to wear body cams.

How do you feel about body cams?
From my perspective, it seems to save them more than hurt them. Especially now with the culture of automatically assuming the office was in the wrong in every instance.

I had read that the SJW were not happy with cams as they usually exonerated the officer...

 

[jsx1043]

How do you feel about body cams?
From my perspective, it seems to save them more than hurt them. Especially now with the culture of automatically assuming the office was in the wrong in every instance.

I had read that the SJW were not happy with cams as they usually exonerated the officer...

The very vast majority of officers I know, and discussion about them in the LE community (and of course me as well) are absolutely for them. Ingomike is correct that once cams were integrated into departments, many minority groups then dissuaded from their use as they showed that minority arrestees were compiling evidence against themselves, thus making it harder to argue against the arrestee’s behavior and getting their payday.

In modern policing, we fully understand how important video documentation has become, and we welcome it. Overwhelmingly, body cam footage has exonerated officers in arrests and use of force complaints and reviews. In my tenure of just shy of 20 years, none of my compatriots have been against them.

The rub comes in when it comes to funding mechanisms and logistics. Smaller agencies can afford to buy ten cameras and the data storage, an agency such as IMPD can nary afford to keep vehicles operational, let alone a multimillion dollar purchase of 2,000 body cams and the data storage needed. Policies and oversight need to be written, and there are many concerns:

-Privacy (both the officer and citizen)

-Review and release of footage (again, more privacy; who has access, etc.)

-Technical effectiveness (How tough are they? Will the battery last a whole shift? What happens if it gets knocked off/covered during a scuffle?)

-Officer’s use for report writing (Can the footage be viewed by an officer to assist in writing the report? There have been complaints made that officers should not be able to use it for report writing as it taints the officer’s interpretation of the event - even though that’s the standard we have now.)

These are just a few concerns off the top of my head. It’s not that they diminish their effectiveness, it’s just part of the logistical process that the public doesn’t think about. Much of the public thinks that we don’t want body cams so that we can continue our “war against the public” and have no accountability. In fact, it’s just the opposite, since they back us up and show the public what we deal with on an hourly basis.

 

[Dutchisaurus]

The very vast majority of officers I know, and discussion about them in the LE community (and of course me as well) are absolutely for them. Ingomike is correct that once cams were integrated into departments, many minority groups then dissuaded from their use as they showed that minority arrestees were compiling evidence against themselves, thus making it harder to argue against the arrestee’s behavior and getting their payday.

In modern policing, we fully understand how important video documentation has become, and we welcome it. Overwhelmingly, body cam footage has exonerated officers in arrests and use of force complaints and reviews. In my tenure of just shy of 20 years, none of my compatriots have been against them.

The rub comes in when it comes to funding mechanisms and logistics. Smaller agencies can afford to buy ten cameras and the data storage, an agency such as IMPD can nary afford to keep vehicles operational, let alone a multimillion dollar purchase of 2,000 body cams and the data storage needed. Policies and oversight need to be written, and there are many concerns:

-Privacy (both the officer and citizen)

-Review and release of footage (again, more privacy; who has access, etc.)

-Technical effectiveness (How tough are they? Will the battery last a whole shift? What happens if it gets knocked off/covered during a scuffle?)

-Officer’s use for report writing (Can the footage be viewed by an officer to assist in writing the report? There have been complaints made that officers should not be able to use it for report writing as it taints the officer’s interpretation of the event - even though that’s the standard we have now.)

These are just a few concerns off the top of my head. It’s not that they diminish their effectiveness, it’s just part of the logistical process that the public doesn’t think about. Much of the public thinks that we don’t want body cams so that we can continue our “war against the public” and have no accountability. In fact, it’s just the opposite, since they back us up and show the public what we deal with on an hourly basis.

Can I get access to bloopers?

I want to start Crooks Gone Wild and sell it on vhs during late night infomercials.

Y'all could just wear a pasgt like Denny all the time with a Mohoc camera.

"If you can loot in person, you can Vote in person" -Me

 

[Hoosierkav]

I would be concerned that they'd be used to show the errors in the Officer's report. Lapses in memory are a known issue and unless it's a malicious manipulation, we need to not hold someone's feet to the fire... but no one wants to allow room for error--there's always an insidious reason for the lapse.

 

[Tombs]

These are just a few concerns off the top of my head. It’s not that they diminish their effectiveness, it’s just part of the logistical process that the public doesn’t think about. Much of the public thinks that we don’t want body cams so that we can continue our “war against the public” and have no accountability. In fact, it’s just the opposite, since they back us up and show the public what we deal with on an hourly basis.

I wonder if budget allocations can be set up for very specific purposes, like providing the logistics for body cameras, and not just a blanket "here make this money disappear" kind of deal?

If it was a federally mandated thing, I'd think states would be forced to allocate budget specific to the purpose. But I also realize that politics is going to take a on it...

 

[qwerty]

At our agency, the camera footage has exonerated the officer in every citizen complaint. Its quite unbelievable honestly, but accurate. Even criminally and civilly justified a fatal shooting of an unarmed man that was a suicide by cop.
After we bought ours, every surrounding agency was hit-to-trot after seeing the benifits.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Curfew back in effect for the weekend in Indy.

 

[Robert Richardson]

Curfew back in effect for the weekend in Indy.

Yep, more punishment for law abiding citizens.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Just saw on Fox59 (on the TV, no link): protest at IMPD NW District HQ today. Hey Frank: let's be careful out there.

 

[singlesix]

https://fox59.com/news/indy-mayor-reinstates-curfew-for-friday-saturday/

 

[DoggyDaddy]

https://fox59.com/news/indy-mayor-reinstates-curfew-for-friday-saturday/

https://fox59.com/news/indy-mayor-reinstates-curfew-for-friday-saturday/

Fixed link...

ETA: Nevermind. Beat me to it!

 

[snorko]

The rub comes in when it comes to funding mechanisms and logistics. Smaller agencies can afford to buy ten cameras and the data storage, an agency such as IMPD can nary afford to keep vehicles operational, let alone a multimillion dollar purchase of 2,000 body cams and the data storage needed.

Can I [STRIKE]get access to[/STRIKE] buy the rights to bloopers?

I want to start Crooks Gone Wild and sell it on vhs during late night infomercials.

Problem defined, problem solved.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Can I get access to bloopers?

I want to start Crooks Gone Wild and sell it on vhs during late night infomercials.

In a similar vein, I have the solution to the border. Create a constant, 100m wide "DMZ" like the old E/W German border. Barbed wire on both sides, land mines between, and automatic sentry guns every 100m. Cameras everywhere. Make the feed PPV and use the proceeds to fund the construction. Knowing the sick F-ers here (in the world, not INGO) we would run a surplus.

Oh, and if you can make it across alive, you get to stay. And maybe even get a tee shirt. LOL