Downtown Indy Riots/damage overnight...

[Keith_Indy]

Watch the video yourself.

https://www.facebook.com/lydia.butler.12/videos/4611115873634/

The year has hits right around the 20 minute mark. Everything is peaceful until then. Also, the people in the video identify the police as the ones who launched tear gas at them (a crowd of people including children and handicapped people in wheel chairs).

I see nothing that excuses IMPD for this.

Yes, everything is peaceful until the "protesters" running from the police run into this group.

You can see the tear gas a block away that the "protesters" (many curiously dressed all in black) are running from.

If I saw that mass of "protesters" running towards my peaceful protest, and saw the tear gas a block away, I'd have said "hey, there's trouble coming this way, the police are throwing tear gas a block away, we better disburse."

Well, unless I was trying to get caught up in the storm for viral media.

 

[SwikLS]

Did you actually read it? It specifically says he died of asphyxiation caused by the knee on his neck. He didn’t just die of natural causes.

I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with some of you. I don’t care if he was on meth, he wasn’t resisting and the police flat out murdered him. If you don’t see a problem with that, I suggest you take a deep hard look into your heart and try to figure out why.

I'm sorry but if someone has other health problems and they are under the influence of some kind of illegal controlled substance and they die in police custody that is not murder. I dont care what anyone says.

 

[Route 45]

Watch the video yourself.

https://www.facebook.com/lydia.butler.12/videos/4611115873634/

The year has hits right around the 20 minute mark. Everything is peaceful until then. Also, the people in the video identify the police as the ones who launched tear gas at them (a crowd of people including children and handicapped people in wheel chairs).

Verily I say unto you...they have their reward.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

I'm sorry but if someone has other health problems and they are under the influence of some kind of illegal controlled substance and they die in police custody that is not murder. I dont care what anyone says.

Lol wut?

If a guy has diabetes and is high and a police officer shoots him in the head after he’s been detained. Uh yeah, that’s murder.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm sorry but if someone has other health problems and they are under the influence of some kind of illegal controlled substance and they die in police custody that is not murder. I dont care what anyone says.

Right. If they die in their jail cell, with no one’s body weight fully resting on their neck, sure.

 

[DadSmith]

I've read that they are now shooting our police officer's. Did this happen in Indiana anywhere last night?

 

[KittySlayer]

...launched tear gas at them (a crowd of people including children and handicapped people in wheel chairs).

What moron willfully takes their child into a potentially dangerous situation? If you want to protest then hire a babysitter and go protest. Anyone who has watched the news this weekend should be aware that any such gathering has the potential to become dangerous, be it the actions of the police or bad people in the mob. Be a parent, protect your child! If you want to teach them lessons you can have an in depth conversation with them and educate them.

Showing up at an event like this where you do not have the ability to quickly egress under your own power is stupid. It's like wearing flip flops to the event. If you are handicapped you have limitations and you need to be aware of them and adapt. I would not expect there to be wheelchair ramps at a "gathering" that could become a protest or warp into a riot.

 

[HailtotheGM]

Yes, everything is peaceful until the "protesters" running from the police run into this group.

You can see the tear gas a block away that the "protesters" (many curiously dressed all in black) are running from.

If I saw that mass of "protesters" running towards my peaceful protest, and saw the tear gas a block away, I'd have said "hey, there's trouble coming this way, the police are throwing tear gas a block away, we better disburse."

Well, unless I was trying to get caught up in the storm for viral media.

I've been on the forum for years, previously under a different name, and primarily just a lurker over the past couple of years. I am an avid gun owner, and a staunch second amendment supporter who believes that it should be held to the intent of our founding fathers - that by and large, the people have access to implements of force equal to that held by the state. I believe that those rioting, looting, and destroying public and private property should absolutely be held accountable. But I also know that our justice system is built on one principle - that of due process. That people have the right to a fair trial, and that their guilt must be proven before sentencing, that innocent people are not unduly punished for the crimes of another person.

I have to say that today I am ashamed to be a part of this community.

That we could stand by and watch as our brothers are being subjected to this. That we could watch a man killed in police custody - a man that was already detained, no danger to officers on the scene, a man that all the video evidence we have makes it clear that he was compliant with lawful police orders right up until the moment he was conveniently out of view of any cameras - killed after his airway was restricted for eight minutes - a man who met his death with no due process at the hands of police officers that had a history of complaints of excessive force against him. That we could watch a video where peaceful children and people in wheelchairs are hit by gas fired by our own police force, and make excuses justifying those actions. That our police would consider those children acceptable collateral damage to keep the peace is morally repugnant, and that we would watch that and agree with them is disgusting.

I've seen the many videos from Richmond V as well, from many different angles, of police rolling up on non-violent protesters and gassing them. The Richmond police claimed that they had officers cut off by violent protesters and had to gas the crowd to get them to safety, but all the video evidence contradicts that. Even if that were true, you don't harm innocent children to protect yourself from bodily harm. If you find yourself in trouble, no matter how dire, you don't harm innocent people to save yourself. That's cowardice, plain and simple.

I've seen the videos from Charleston, where a man who was telling the police that he wants to understand them, he wants to get to know them, he doesn't want to fight them, is dragged from the crowd and taken away. He was kneeling on the ground with his hands in the air, not posing a threat to anyone. Just talking. Just trying to be diplomatic. And he was arrested. These are not the actions of a just police force.

I hope there are still some actual patriots somewhere in this country. Men and women who know that when you tread on my brother, you tread on me. Not just cowards who masquerade under the name, seeking to protect their own rights and property, but aren't willing to do a damned thing for their neighbor in need.

And to the police officers on this forum - if there are ten bad cops and a thousand good cops, but the thousand aren't willing to stand up against the ten and stop them - there are one thousand and ten bad cops. It's that simple. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

I'm absolutely NOT calling for violence of any kind, but I will say this: If you went out to protest Coronavirus restrictions, but you're sitting at home making excuses for the police firing teargas into crowds of children - you need to stop calling yourself a supporter of the Second Amendment, because you have no understanding of the purpose it serves.

 

[Denny347]

One thing I hope comes out of all of this is ending "qualified immunity" for police officers. I think that is BS.

From Wiki,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quali...a legal,federal law or constitutional rights.

it's pretty well explained. It serves a valuable function. Remove that protection and quite frankly, I'd likely quit the job. Lawsuits are bad enough with protections, but knowing that it's possible I lose everything I've worked for by a jury that is wanting to set an example. No thanks. I'll quit first.

 

[T.Lex]

I hope there are still some actual patriots somewhere in this country.

Says a guy typing away on his computer, anonymously.

 

[HailtotheGM]

T.LEx - If you live near Muncie, I'll meet you for coffee to peacefully and respectfully discuss the matter.

 

[Route 45]

I've been on the forum for years, previously under a different name...I have to say that today I am ashamed to be a part of this community.

I didn't think that different usernames were allowed. Forget your password, or recycled shooter?

 

[T.Lex]

T.LEx - If you live near Muncie, I'll meet you for coffee to peacefully and respectfully discuss the matter.

I am not.

 

[Route 45]

T.LEx - If you live near Muncie, I'll meet you for coffee to peacefully and respectfully discuss the matter.

 

[Denny347]

Just watched an infuriating video on FB. It was a religious group having a worship service on what looks like the south side of the monument. A small group of 20-30 it looks like. About 20 minutes in, a teargas canister lands at the feet of an older woman in a wheelchair and an old man next to her. bystanders had to help both of them get out of there because they were frozen, unsure what to do.

Somebody said that IMPD appeared to be targeting youts that ran into the group carrying sticks. I couldnt tell honestly. But seriously? We gotta know our backstop, why dont they?

Still respect our officers, but that kinda thing makes me angry. It seemed incredibly sloppy.

A group was throwing bottles, spray painting the Monument. The gas was not meant for the Preachers. We felt so bad. We help decon them and they prayed with us. That entire group was VERY understanding. We were all upset that happened.

 

[HailtotheGM]

Roll your eyes if you want. He rightfully called me out for being an anonymous internet poster, so I felt I had to put my money where my mouth is. I'll talk to anyone, as long as the conversation remains peaceful and respectful.

 

[Route 45]

Roll your eyes if you want. He rightfully called me out for being an anonymous internet poster, so I felt I had to put my money where my mouth is. I'll talk to anyone, as long as the conversation remains peaceful and respectful.

But...you are literally an anonymous internet poster.

 

[T.Lex]

A group was throwing bottles, spray painting the Monument. The gas was not meant for the Preachers. We felt so bad. We help decon them and they prayed with us. That entire group was VERY understanding. We were all upset that happened.

Heya Denny, in the video circulating of the police interaction with the peaceful protesters near the governor's mansion, I saw an officer that I think I recognized. He he fits several "minority" designations as a very fit, African American police officer who transferred to IMPD, and he has a certain... flair about him. First initial is V. if I remember correctly. He kinda has 2 first names, so I may have that backwards.

Anyway, it seems like he'd be a good person to handle some of the community interactions. If this is more suited to PM, no problem, I'll edit it.

Good job out there.

 

[KittySlayer]

A group was throwing bottles, spray painting the Monument. The gas was not meant for the Preachers. We felt so bad. We help decon them and they prayed with us. That entire group was VERY understanding. We were all upset that happened.

If there was only a safe place for them to pray. Like maybe a church, unless of course antifa sets it on fire.

 

[T.Lex]

Roll your eyes if you want. He rightfully called me out for being an anonymous internet poster, so I felt I had to put my money where my mouth is. I'll talk to anyone, as long as the conversation remains peaceful and respectful.

Putting one's money where one's mouth is, in the context of your post, would be taking up arms and standing guard over the protesters AGAINST the police in those locations. At least that's how your post came across.