COVID OMICRON Thread

[jamil]

Review of Johns Hopkins study that lockdowns were ineffective. Very interesting breakdown of the data.

I think his idea of successful is different from mine. If by success he says that lockdowns spread the deaths out, I suppose that’s true. And if by success he means some people who might have gotten covid during a time when no one knew what they were doing didn’t get covid because of lockdowns, I suppose that could be true. Those are the two primary points he made.

I think there is a greater measure of the success of lockdowns and that is, is the sum of all outcomes better because of lockdowns than it would have been without. I don’t know if a study could even come close to approximating that. This one didn’t. The lies told to try to get the lockdowns to be accepted by the public, two weeks to slow the spread, did great harm and that’s part of the sum too. I feel like the sum with lockdowns cost society way more overall.

 

[ancjr]

Sad that people had to die from fraudulent studies and resultant practice.

 

[wtburnette]

Sad that people had to die from fraudulent studies and resultant practice.

I've listened to most of that and it's really informative. I listened to his Senate hearing testimony as well and it's good stuff. At some point people should go to prison for this garbage.

 

[ancjr]

I've listened to most of that and it's really informative. I listened to his Senate hearing testimony as well and it's good stuff. At some point people should go to prison for this garbage.

That's exactly what should happen, yes.

 

[rob63]

Who is that guy? I thought that was interesting and would like to be able to see his other stuff.

 

[mbills2223]

I don't have the energy to go back and quote the posts after my last post in here where people thought I was an ******* (which I am) calling you guys hypocrites. The point I was trying to make is that people on the left could reasonably call you hypocritical referring to whatever that guy's name was as Doctor. I was not calling anyone in here a hypocrite or saying that referring to him as such was hypocritical.

Sincerely,

Dr. Mbills2223, PharmD

 

[mbills2223]

I think his idea of successful is different from mine. If by success he says that lockdowns spread the deaths out, I suppose that’s true. And if by success he means some people who might have gotten covid during a time when no one knew what they were doing didn’t get covid because of lockdowns, I suppose that could be true. Those are the two primary points he made.

I think there is a greater measure of the success of lockdowns and that is, is the sum of all outcomes better because of lockdowns than it would have been without. I don’t know if a study could even come close to approximating that. This one didn’t. The lies told to try to get the lockdowns to be accepted by the public, two weeks to slow the spread, did great harm and that’s part of the sum too. I feel like the sum with lockdowns cost society way more overall.

They should've been honest about the lockdowns to begin with. I work closely with a major hospital system, and they were very frank during internal conversations. The only purpose of the lockdowns to them was so that they didn't have to activate the "Ethics Panel" they created to determine which dying patients got care and which dying patients didn't.

 

[wtburnette]

They should've been honest about the lockdowns to begin with. I work closely with a major hospital system, and they were very frank during internal conversations. The only purpose of the lockdowns to them was so that they didn't have to activate the "Ethics Panel" they created to determine which dying patients got care and which dying patients didn't.

Darn shame they weren't as concerned about saving people.

 

[bobzilla]

Darn shame they weren't as concerned about saving people.

That might have helped the evil orange man.

 

[mbills2223]

Darn shame they weren't as concerned about saving people.

I can tell you factually at the local level they absolutely wanted to save people. This was in the very beginning... No one really knew what to do. I can also tell you that the hospital system I was working with (not for, I don't speak for them or anyone else) was willing to try anything. I was sourcing large quantities of various drugs for them that have since fallen out of favor. Everyone there wanted to save people, but they didn't have a great idea of what to do, nor did they have the resources to help everyone if a massive surge had come about.

 

[jamil]

They should've been honest about the lockdowns to begin with. I work closely with a major hospital system, and they were very frank during internal conversations. The only purpose of the lockdowns to them was so that they didn't have to activate the "Ethics Panel" they created to determine which dying patients got care and which dying patients didn't.

Well. With the lockdowns, a lot of people died at home. Alone. I guess that absolved the hospital staff from having to make that decision.

The lies cost people their trust in the system and in "the science". I naively agreed with "trust the science" at first, but "the science" proved to be not a whole lot more than top-down hegemony dictating the preferred science rather than allowing science to work the way its most successful.

I honestly don't know what to believe whenever the CDC or the science industrial complex announces any research outcome, but I'm inclined not to believe it unless it's something that they'd gain no benefit by lying. I now trust foreign science way more than what we're told in the US. We were lied to, straight up, too many times, and I will not forgive that. Not even if they were noble lies. It's still lies.

 

[wtburnette]

I can tell you factually at the local level they absolutely wanted to save people. This was in the very beginning... No one really knew what to do. I can also tell you that the hospital system I was working with (not for, I don't speak for them or anyone else) was willing to try anything. I was sourcing large quantities of various drugs for them that have since fallen out of favor. Everyone there wanted to save people, but they didn't have a great idea of what to do, nor did they have the resources to help everyone if a massive surge had come about.

I'm not blaming anyone for the chaos at the beginning of the scamdemic, but later I think hospitals caved and jumped on board the "whatever the government says" bandwagon too quickly. After listening to Senate testimony of doctors who lost their jobs for doing their best for their patients and how this is unlike anything anyone has ever seen. Doctors being told what they can and can't prescribe or use for treatment, only to use "authorized" and expensive treatment options that have a high failure rate. Just ridiculous. Now there is overwhelming evidence that Hydroxi and Ivermectin are extremely effective at preventing and treating the virus, but the US still can't get it's head out of the drug company's rear to save it's people. Sad that they would allow this many people to die when effective treatments are safe, inexpensive and widely available

 

[JettaKnight]

Anyone else confused by the two Gadsen Flags arguing with each other?

 

[ancjr]

Anyone else confused by the two Gadsen Flags arguing with each other?

No.

 

[bobzilla]

Anyone else confused by the two Gadsen Flags arguing with each other?

Only a noob would be confused.

 

[jamil]

Anyone else confused by the two Gadsen Flags arguing with each other?

Yeah. Resident noob here.

I think, wow, wtburnette seems to be off his meds today. Oh wait. Nevermind. That’s mbills.

 

[KLB]

Yeah. Resident noob here.

I think, wow, wtburnette seems to be off his meds today. Oh wait. Nevermind. That’s mbills.

Yeah. I look at the Avatars a lot to identify people. It messes me up when multiple people have similar ones.

 

[actaeon277]

Yeah. I look at the Avatars a lot to identify people. It messes me up when multiple people have similar ones.

or when people change them

 

[KLB]

or when people change them

That's even worse!

Phylo had me totally confused with his constant changes.

 

[mbills2223]

Anyone else confused by the two Gadsen Flags arguing with each other?

I'll get a new one where a vaccine syringe replaces the gun lolol