Coronovirus IV

[HoughMade]

But, but....Sweden!

[pay no attention to its case-mortality rate over twice the U.S. or the fact that it still has more deaths per 100,000 of population]

 

[Ingomike]

We are well on our way to 200,000 dead... and that's with lock downs, distancing, hand washing like never before, masks... please point me to the bad flu season that matches this.

And that's just counting the dead... as far as I know, flu does attack other organs. COVID attack via the ACE surface of the cells... the lungs have the highest concentration of ACE... second is the heart. They are now seeing heart damage in those who survive EVEN MILD CASES.

Never heard of people with the flu having strokes due to massive blood clotting. Yeah, even the young'uns that survive, but are impaired due to strokes.

This ain't the flu.

The number cited is pure unadulterated bull sheet. Not repeating why again on this page. If you like bad data you are welcome to it, just don't push it on me.

And for the record wuhu flu is a respiratory flu...

 

[Ingomike]

So in the whole "everyone will get it sooner or later" scenario, later is better.

The only option we have on the table, might as well get it over with.

 

[Ingomike]

But, but....Sweden!

[pay no attention to its case-mortality rate over twice the U.S. or the fact that it still has more deaths per 100,000 of population]

When do we get to factor in suicide deaths, untreated health deaths, dependency deaths, etc.?

Seem a fair thing to do. Nothing happens in a vacuum, millions of lives have been affected that covid never touched...

 

[JettaKnight]

The number cited is pure unadulterated bull sheet. Not repeating why again on this page. If you like bad data you are welcome to it, just don't push it on me.

And for the record wuhu flu is a respiratory flu...

How exactly do you know it's BS? Why are you trusting those sources?

What would it take beyond the hundreds of articles linked in these threads showing all the mistakes, miscounts, policies promoting over counting, and financial incentives to overcount make the numbers junk, unusable for anything beyond a political cudgel?

FWIW, there's a great deal of incentive to undercount as well.

Any place with a huge tourism industry has an incentive to hide it.


One need only look at the mayor of Amity Island.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I'll take "Later" for $1000 please, Alex.

I'll have to check my schedule and let you know when I'm free to contract Covid. Thanks!

 

[HoughMade]

When do we get to factor in suicide deaths, untreated health deaths, dependency deaths, etc.?

Seem a fair thing to do. Nothing happens in a vacuum, millions of lives have been affected that covid never touched...

Do you think the U.S. death numbers for COVID are accurate? If not, is it higher or lower? If lower, how do they compare to the suicide deaths?

...and if the deaths of people who would have died anyway shouldn't be counted towards COVID totals, wouldn't the same hold true for the suicides?

 

[NKBJ]

Oh yeah, we're being played. The hard part is figgerin' how much and by who. And why they'd want to do such a thing.

 

[nonobaddog]

When do we get to factor in suicide deaths, untreated health deaths, dependency deaths, etc.?

Seem a fair thing to do. Nothing happens in a vacuum, millions of lives have been affected that covid never touched...

If you think the numbers of deaths directly caused by the chinese virus are not accurate wait until they try to figure out the number of deaths that are indirectly caused by the chinese virus, that will be pure fantasy.

 

[Alpo]

I think we all agree that there are more that 80,000 deaths as a result of COVID-19 so far.

Maybe not.

 

[Ingomike]

Do you think the U.S. death numbers for COVID are accurate? If not, is it higher or lower? If lower, how do they compare to the suicide deaths?

...and if the deaths of people who would have died anyway shouldn't be counted towards COVID totals, wouldn't the same hold true for the suicides?

Oh yeah, we're being played. The hard part is figgerin' how much and by who. And why they'd want to do such a thing.

I believe them to be over counted based on a preponderance of evidence from so many sources. The financial incentives are great for the medical industry to count all they can. Many local media reports from around the country have found that to be true. The CDC guidelines themselves point to over counts, which were discussed here when they came out.

One report out of Florida found the comorbidity factor to be 4.6 average of the deaths in that area, but covid was the listed cause of death, the same report found a roofer struck by lightning listed as a covid death, and that is but one local report. I'm certain there may be some undercount that may be found in certain areas but do not believe it to be near the scale of over counts.

Haven't checked lately but deaths related to heart and pneumonia, etc. were down, likely due to being classified as covid deaths. So it is true, I do not trust the numbers presented as covid deaths...


To your question of the suicide deaths I want to see the increase over the last couple of years. There is a large body of research over decades documenting the mental health issues, stress related issues, dependency issues as related to economic downturns and unemployment increases from around the world. We know without doubt that many are putting off checkups for health issues due to the covid and avoiding doctors and hospitals to find cancer early etc...

 

[Ingomike]

I think we all agree that there are more that 80,000 deaths as a result of COVID-19 so far.

Maybe not.

Fair enough. The discussion is and will be what balances the scale as to the response to something like this in a country of 330 million people.

 

[indyartisan]

I hate to be the one to break the news it may be Covid
it may be a bus
it may be cleaning your gutters
it may be McDonalds
it may be some medical
misadventure
No lawmaker in Washington or your state or hometown can save you.
You are all going to die.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I'll have to check my schedule and let you know when I'm free to contract Covid. Thanks!

DoggyDaddy, you forgot to phrase your response in the form of a question, so I'm sorry, that's incorrect.

 

[Bennettjh]

First documented case of reinfection in Hong Kong. They tested the first strain the man had, then the second. Evidently they were different.

 

[KMaC]

ISDH has stated a 7 day average positive rate below 5% is the goal.
Good news, we're almost there! Today's average is 5.6%.
ISDH "found" 16,215 tests were added with 975 positives dating back to 7-28. This dropped the 7 day average by 2%
Is the system that flawed or somebody cooking the books to justify mask police?

Today, 16,215 antigen tests and 975 positive cases from July 28 through August 22 are being added to the cumulative reports.

 

[Ingomike]

ISDH has stated a 7 day average positive rate below 5% is the goal.
Good news, we're almost there! Today's average is 5.6%.
ISDH "found" 16,215 tests were added with 975 positives dating back to 7-28. This dropped the 7 day average by 2%
Is the system that flawed or somebody cooking the books to justify mask police?

Today, 16,215 antigen tests and 975 positive cases from July 28 through August 22 are being added to the cumulative reports.

Oh no! They told me in this thread the numbers are correct and I'm a conspiracy theorist to suggest otherwise...

 

[Tombs]

That's all data, everywhere.


It sure seems like you want data that confirms your bias.

The data isn't the problem, it's the outlines for generating that data.

Such as reporting any death that tests positive as a covid death.

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Ingomike]

The data isn't the problem, it's the outlines for generating that data.

Such as reporting any death that tests positive as a covid death.

Garbage in, garbage out.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tombs again.

 

[BugI02]

But, but....Sweden!

[pay no attention to its case-mortality rate over twice the U.S. or the fact that it still has more deaths per 100,000 of population]

Sigh

7 day moving average for new deaths in Sweden is 2, in a population of 10.1 million or 0.02 per 100000

7 day moving average of new deaths in the US is 980 per week, in a population of 331.3 million or about 0.296 per 100000 - 15 times the death rate

US deaths per 100000 is 54.7

Sweden deaths per 100000 is 57.5

US needs about 9300 more deaths to surpass Sweden's mortality rate, which you proffer as a reason to ridicule Sweden as an example. That's only 9 1/2 more weeks at the current US rate of new death. And then Sweden's new death rate will still be effectively zero, and how will you distract from the fact they have established herd immunity then?

But by all means, keep wearing that mask

worldometers data, by the way